Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by holly_1948
(Post 11395673)
It is as simple as this - the Scots government puts a UK pound in the vault and prints a Scottish pound that goes into circulation. If/when anyone wants to trade that Scots pound for a UK there is one sitting there in the vault ready to go. As long as they don't print Scots pounds that they fail to have UK pounds to back then with then there is no risk. Of course if they start behaving like the paper gold in Fort Knox then all bets are off and trouble brews (if for example Germany were to ever ask for its bullion back).
Therefore they'll likely have £150 billion or more of debt and will likely have to borrow or print £15 billion or more next year. I suspect the way it will work will be that Scotland will have to issue £150 billion or more in government bonds (could be in GBP or their own currency) and the money received will be used to retire the UK bonds. I doubt that Scotland can just take over bonds for the debt from the UK since those bonds are secured by the UK government and it is unknown what the credit rating of Scotland will be (Scotland may possibly have to pay a significantly higher interest rate to attract bond purchasers). It is possible that if the UK government will continue to back those bonds (probably unlikely), then those bonds could be become the debt of Scotland but backed by the UK. |
Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by neilcumming
(Post 11397285)
Well there plenty land there now as all the commercial bulidings are lying empty and all those "state of the art" high rise flats have been raised to the ground.
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
(Post 11396975)
Don't hold your breath for an answer on that one... I asked about 60 pages ago, and still waiting for something other than "reduced airport tax".....
Maybe the Scottish Tourist Board are developing a secret new line of haggis with added ingredients to appeal to a wider audience.......cinnamon for the yanks, garlic for the french, jalapeno for our southern neighbours, curry for our subcontinental brethren etc etc. Pete |
Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by MostlyYank
(Post 11398189)
Cinnamon is nice, but 'Mericans will not eat Haggis unless it is smothered in official orange dyed Processed Cheeselike Product.
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by Michael
(Post 11397731)
I suspect the way it will work will be that Scotland will have to issue £150 billion or more in government bonds (could be in GBP or their own currency) and the money received will be used to retire the UK bonds. I doubt that Scotland can just take over bonds for the debt from the UK since those bonds are secured by the UK government and it is unknown what the credit rating of Scotland will be (Scotland may possibly have to pay a significantly higher interest rate to attract bond purchasers). It is possible that if the UK government will continue to back those bonds (probably unlikely), then those bonds could be become the debt of Scotland but backed by the UK.
Again I doubt Scotland would have much of a credit rating on their own currency, would have to stick to GBP to have any sort of trust. Maybe they can call Amex Global transfer... |
Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 11398351)
The bonds would have to be in GBP otherwise no institutional investor would buy them. Or as you say, only the UK would be stupid enough to buy them.
Again I doubt Scotland would have much of a credit rating on their own currency, would have to stick to GBP to have any sort of trust. ...... |
Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 11398456)
Scotland could issue bonds in any currency it wanted, and given that sales of oil are priced internationally in USD, and much whisky is sold to the US, issuing bonds in USD could make sense. Investors would thereby be insulated from exchange rate fluctuations of whatever currency Scotland is using, but would still be exposed to credit risk (risk of default). :unsure:
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 11398459)
They could also issue Euro bonds, which might be a good choice if they are required to sign up for the Euro in order to gain EU membership. But the real issue for Scotland is definitely credit risk, which could significantly affect the interest rate they could borrow at.
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by Michael
(Post 11398465)
Euro bonds is a misnomer. The definition of a Euro bond is any bond that is issued in a currency of another country and were initially denominated in US dollars. I suspect you meant Euro bonds denominated in Euros.
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 11398472)
You got to that before I did. I think Euro bonds have been around since at least the early 70's, long before the Euro was dreamt up. :nod:
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by Michael
(Post 11398480)
They were initially introduced in London in the 1960s after Kennedy placed additional taxes on Americans holding corporate bonds in a foreign currency. Therefore the Euro bond was introduced so that foreign companies could raise capital from Americans investors without them incurring additional taxes.
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by Sally Redux
(Post 11397038)
Yes what happens with citizenship? Sorry if it's been covered, I haven't been taking it seriously I admit.
Scotland's Future |
Re: the Scottish independence issue
Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 11400203)
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
It feels very strange to think I could soon be a Scottish citizen.
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
2 threads on the subject,3000 posts including a couple from myself.
We swing to and thro, on financial points, political independence points, Regulations and laws closer to home. Forget all of them, if the Scots feel they want to go their own way after 300years, a chance to be answerable for their own future and destiny, mysteries and excitement of a new start. ........Basta, fullstop, go no further. That alone is enough to finish any argument. Financially, Politically,employment, education enviroment in cities and country for the Mr n Mrs average Scot, in my opinion, really havent got anything to lose. I have argued against the yes vote, the whitepaper, going it alone, then it hit me, I aint a Scot, rebellious, yes, but no Scottish past or emotions, but if I was/had Would I, if given the chance. ....You bet I bloody would!! , being part of change, with a possibilty of making a small success of it. What can you lose, how catastrophic would part failure be , would my life change dramatically. |
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