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There's no need for that. All that is necessary is for another Supreme Court to overturn Heller.

I should remind you that this current interpretation of gun rights is only seven years old. This country existed for more than 200 years with a different interpretation of the Second Amendment (and Heller was a real stretch. Talk about judicial activism.)

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If the police were given the power to arrest illegals as they are with, say, narcotics (also held in unknown location) I imagine they could collect a large proportion of the illegals in less than a decade

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And here I thought it was only people from Latin America, Asia and the ME who have trouble assimilating. :lol:

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and I'm also annoyed that apparently because I support PP I'm a baby murderer and not allowed an opinion on gun issues

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A "War on Illegals" to match our "War on Drugs" and "War on Poverty." Not to forget the "War on Guns." Imagine the possibilities. Creation of new departments, offices, recruitment of new agents, a career path, corruption, etc. And with about as much success as any of those other Wars.

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No, it's a free, if well-armed, country. You are allowed an opinion on gun issues and are even invited to express it. Right here, right now. :(

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Apparently, it's murder when it's an essentially lifeless ball of cells. Once it's born, it's target practice ...

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Why is that even relevant to this thread? How many times in the last ten years, say, has somebody walked into a school, or church, or cinema, armed with an illegal immigrant and used him or her to kill innocent bystanders?

Illegal immigration might very well be a genuine political issue. But is is entirely unrelated to gun control, and the willingness of anti-control proponents to turn a blind eye to thousands of deaths a year just so that they can protect their "constitutional right" to keep a firearm in their house. It really beggars belief that anyone can still support the notion that gun controls are undesirable.

Nobody is suggesting that this is a problem that can be solved overnight. But I really, really can't get my head around the idea that the political Right, supported by very wealthy industry lobby groups, are not willing to contemplate even trying to start to begin to maybe do something about it. Otherwise really quite bright individuals just have this unbelievable blind-spot to the bizarre (and increasingly globally derided) notion that there's nothing they can do to stop people massacring each other in public places.

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Oh holy hell, the mental image there - I genuinely laughed at that one.

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It is highly relevant.

Here you have an issue where just taking deaths are far more significant than the handful in this incident and where there are laws and resources supposed to be dealing with it.

Yet we need to focus on another issue an issue which the Constitution specifically allows and in which there is no chance of legislation and even if there was it would be really impossible to police.

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America has to be at war with someone or something, otherwise they would not be in a constant state of fear. Oh and of course war is good for business.

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Anyway, I've come to the conclusion that guns are an addiction for America and for Americans. Like any addiction the first step is to recognise there is a problem, but they're still in denial.

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Well, in a way it might even happen just as you describe it.

Suppose I'm a major drug dealer in Chicago and one of my subordinates has been stealing from me. I call up my enforcer, Ángel, an illegal alien MS-13 guy just in from El Salvador (he's 18 and eligible to be one of Obama's Dreamers, despite his gang tattoos). We go to the restaurant where the thief is having a lavish dinner with his girlfriend, using the money he stole from me. Ángel wastes him and because he's high on Ice, takes out the girl and several other innocent diners, just because. He then drops the handgun on the floor and we hightail it out of there. The gun, recently imported into Chicago from Wisconsin, with all markings removed, is not a problem for either of us. Later, one of my other enforcers takes out Ángel and his extended family for security reasons.

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Do you have a 12-step program in mind, once the problem is recognized?

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An interesting graphic. For this, a mass shooting is defined as four or more people shot in one incident.
994 mass shootings in 1,004 days: this is what America's gun crisis looks like | US news | The Guardian
Suggestion: You may not want to view this on a phone. Since it goes back to 01 January 2013, you'll be scrolling for some time.