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Old Feb 12th 2013, 5:20 pm
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I really don't think you can extrapolate from experiences within an A&E department in what sounds like an inner city London hospital to the wider NHS.

90% of patients being foreign born would not be my sister's experience of the inpatient (not A&E) ward in a hospital in the south of England where she works. Indeed, not any of the departments in her hospital...
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe View Post
Middlemore's claim would need foreign born patients to use NHS services at a rate 90 times higher than UK-born. it's simply not credible.
Like I say, come and see.
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Like I say, come and see.
My sister (who I see or talk to most days) does see
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Originally Posted by Middlemore View Post
I don't know where the 500 million came from.
All I know is what I see, 90% of patients are from abroad.
You are welcome to come visit next time you are in the UK.
So you have seen all NHS patients, then, and counted them and obtained their country of birth. Got it.

500 million comes from your assertion that 90% of those using NHS services are foreign-born.
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I really don't think you can extrapolate from experiences within an A&E department in what sounds like an inner city London hospital to the wider NHS

As they say in the U.S., no kidding!
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Old Feb 12th 2013, 5:25 pm
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Please come visit, i get the impression folk on here have doubts about their beloved NHS and the state it is in.
The only doubts I have are related to your statistics, which are (i) not credible and (ii) not corroborated in any way.
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I was thinking that back shortly after it was set up the numbers in percentage terms of retired and unemployed was much lower.
Does that take into account that at the time of the birth of the NHS far fewer women were in the workplace?
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Firstly, the NHS consists of more than A&E. Most patient visits are to a GP or a specialist. Secondly, were you personally responsible for checking etc
the birthplace of every patient?
Specialist services are being scaled back to fund the demand on A&E, which is a gateway into the system.
I recently had a patient with a broken neck and unstable spinal cord wait TEN DAYS for urgent surgery because London cannot afford to keep its neurosurgery units open. She spent TEN DAYS in A&E while we called specialist units all around the country, because there was nowhere to send her.
That was a longer wait that most, but often we experience delays of several days when requesting urgent specialist care.

Also, we are transferring specialist patients further and further afield, as these units close.

I also know of a major London hospital that has transferred all its outpatient care overseas to a telephone appointment system. A former neighbor of mine who has prostate cancer no longer get appointments to see a local urologist, he has to call a call center every two months for a progress report.

Like I said, its slowly imploding.

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe View Post
So you're now claiming that 90% of NHS patients request an interpreter? Absent corroboration, I just don't believe your numbers. And what proportion of those purported 90% not born in the UK are citizens or legal residents?
Never said that, was talking about one London Hospital.

I had very goof treatment in Sri Lanka, I had to pay.
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The only doubts I have are related to your statistics, which are (i) not credible and (ii) not corroborated in any way.
Once again, you are most welcome to come see for yourself.
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Once again, you are most welcome to come see for yourself.
"See for yourself" does not describe data collection.

How can you possibly "see" all NHS users?
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Does that take into account that at the time of the birth of the NHS far fewer women were in the workplace?
A point, both my Grand Parents worked.

There was the reduced NI contribution rate for women, but I think you still need to work to pay it.
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I really don't think you can extrapolate from experiences within an A&E department in what sounds like an inner city London hospital to the wider NHS.

90% of patients being foreign born would not be my sister's experience of the inpatient (not A&E) ward in a hospital in the south of England where she works. Indeed, not any of the departments in her hospital...
"foreign born" is essentially an irrelevance anyway unless a significant percentage are neither citizens nor legal residents, both categories of which are almost certainly contributing to NHS funding through general taxation.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
"See for yourself" does not describe data collection.

How can you possibly "see" all NHS users?
Middlemore is only commenting on his or her experience, which is more extreme than mine but totally believable in some areas.
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"foreign born" is essentially an irrelevance anyway unless a significant percentage are neither citizens nor legal residents, both categories of which are almost certainly contributing to NHS funding through general taxation.
The Lady from Nigeria who flew in to give birth contributed to general taxation.

Not sure how anybody receiving treatment anywhere can not.
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