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kimilseung May 6th 2010 6:19 pm

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 8548265)
..... mixing their foods on the same fork at one time and then shoveling it into their mouths. Now that seems like poor manners. .....

but that logic would force you to dismantle your burger and eat all the bits individualy, it would be a right mess.

srefre May 6th 2010 8:10 pm

Re: Knife and fork usage
 
The order of things fascinates me to.

In the UK, it's more of a 2 implement, cut as you go set up.

In the US, its a cut everything, discard knife, use fork process.

Anyone know the history of this? Perhaps Henry Ford had some involvement? :)

cindyabs May 6th 2010 11:19 pm

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by srefre (Post 8548897)
The order of things fascinates me to.

In the UK, it's more of a 2 implement, cut as you go set up.

In the US, its a cut everything, discard knife, use fork process.

Anyone know the history of this? Perhaps Henry Ford had some involvement? :)

Henry Ford, well we were using cutlery before he came along. :lol:

ironporer May 7th 2010 12:47 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by cindyabs (Post 8549187)
Henry Ford, well we were using cutlery before he came along. :lol:

Thank God the French invented 'proper' eating utensils, otherwise we'd all be drinking our gruel straight from the bowl and eating the odd fowl with our fingers...like Brits did for centuries.:p

http://neoneocon.com/wp-content/uplo...henryviii2.jpg

I suppose The Brits invented the arbitrary and seemingly ridiculous rules of usage for these utensils as a way of holding up their noses in superiority at the rest of the world.;)

Desdemona May 7th 2010 1:08 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by mikehope (Post 8548261)
I remember when I first had a meal with the American in laws and they were all staring at me eating, my wife later told me its because of how I use my knife and fork and I mix things together on the fork.
I thought that everyone ate that way till I really watched how most people use cutlery over here.
I was then thinking of the scene in "Kate and Leopold" where they are dining together, made sense of hop they were watching him eat.

So that's what it was :rofl: It happened to me at a recent campout and I thought it was because I had served myself a plateful of all the various items on the buffet table and actually managed to polish my plate clean. Everyone had their bloody eyes on me. It was at breakfast and I hadn't had much dinner the previous night :o

dbj1000 May 7th 2010 1:10 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 
OK. So it's all a cultural construct, and there's no "right way" to eat...

...but given my British cultural conditioning, I still find American table manners shocking. I sat across the table from an elegantly dressed lady at a formal banquet earlier this week, and watched her eat like a toddler.

It was made much worse by her decision to use both knife and fork throughout the meal, apparently in deference to the formality of the occasion. My guess is that she'd never tried this before, and it did not turn out well.

Wielding one's fork like an ice pick just doesn't go well with a Chanel cocktail dress...

[I'm suck a f***ing snob!]

Rete May 7th 2010 1:18 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by rebs (Post 8548429)
Neither did I :eek: And apparently, more than one food type on a fork inevitably leads to shovelling :rofl::rofl:


Hence the SPORK for the shovels among us :eek::blink::rofl:

AmerLisa May 7th 2010 1:18 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by MrEmjoy (Post 8548389)
No, dear, we make a delicate selection of items on our plate and in a gentlemanly manner pop it in our mouths.

I've seen ghastly folk over here pop a half steak in their mouths and barely chew!


Originally Posted by ironporer (Post 8549379)
Thank God the French invented 'proper' eating utensils, otherwise we'd all be drinking our gruel straight from the bowl and eating the odd fowl with our fingers...like Brits did for centuries.:p

http://neoneocon.com/wp-content/uplo...henryviii2.jpg

I suppose The Brits invented the arbitrary and seemingly ridiculous rules of usage for these utensils as a way of holding up their noses in superiority at the rest of the world.;)


:D

Rete May 7th 2010 1:19 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by dbj1000 (Post 8549443)
Wielding one's fork like an ice pick just doesn't go well with a Chanel cocktail dress...


Not a problem here, dear. If I owned a Chanel on this income, I couldn't afford the food.

:ohmy:

Rete May 7th 2010 1:21 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 8548741)
but that logic would force you to dismantle your burger and eat all the bits individualy, it would be a right mess.


hehehehe I don't eat a burger with a knife and fork but pick it up in my hands. Thus no problem!:thumbsup:

AmerLisa May 7th 2010 1:23 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by dbj1000 (Post 8549443)
OK. So it's all a cultural construct, and there's no "right way" to eat...

...but given my British cultural conditioning, I still find American table manners shocking. I sat across the table from an elegantly dressed lady at a formal banquet earlier this week, and watched her eat like a toddler.

It was made much worse by her decision to use both knife and fork throughout the meal, apparently in deference to the formality of the occasion. My guess is that she'd never tried this before, and it did not turn out well.

Wielding one's fork like an ice pick just doesn't go well with a Chanel cocktail dress...

[I'm suck a f***ing snob!]


Originally Posted by Rete (Post 8549476)
Not a problem here, dear. If I owned a Chanel on this income, I couldn't afford the food.

:ohmy:

Someone who owns (and wears) a Chanel dress can only be used to eating hors d'oeuvres anyway, so a knife and fork would be foreign objects. ;):D

Dan725 May 7th 2010 1:24 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 8548303)
Then there is the whole "swapping the knife" thing.

Yep, what a pullaver. While the majority of Americans do seem to engage in this unnecessary faffing around, I have however met quite a few who seem to have adopted the "British method" of knife in one hand, fork in the other.

Rete May 7th 2010 1:25 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by mikehope (Post 8548261)
its because of how I use my knife and fork and I mix things together on the fork.


Do you hold you fork with the prongs down, speak your food and then place it in your mouth? And when you are mixing your food, i.e. potatoes and peas, do you then hold your fork with the prongs up and shovel the mixture in the "bowl" of the fork and holding it awkwardly in your left hand shovel it into your mouth?

I use the European method of knife in right hand and fork in left and never letting either out of my hands when eating. Was amazed and a bit horrified when I watched an Irish doing the second method and only eating with the prongs up. Was waiting for him to poke an eye out with the bloody fork. Wonder if he carries eye patches with him for accidents.

AmerLisa May 7th 2010 1:26 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 8549481)
hehehehe I don't eat a burger with a knife and fork but pick it up in my hands. Thus no problem!:thumbsup:

My MIL is the only person I know that got huffy because the restaurant we were at (and it was nothing special to be sure) didn't give her a fork and a knife to eat her hamburger. She made some very rude comments about not everyone eating with their hands.....:rolleyes:

kimilseung May 7th 2010 1:43 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by AmerLisa (Post 8549500)
My MIL is the only person I know that got huffy because the restaurant we were at (and it was nothing special to be sure) didn't give her a fork and a knife to eat her hamburger. She made some very rude comments about not everyone eating with their hands.....:rolleyes:

Is it time to start complaining about having to use dirty knives and forks?
that you are not given clean ones for each course. If so, let me be the first.


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