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Englishtart May 7th 2010 5:56 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by ironporer (Post 8549379)
Thank God the French invented 'proper' eating utensils, otherwise we'd all be drinking our gruel straight from the bowl and eating the odd fowl with our fingers...like Brits did for centuries.:p

http://neoneocon.com/wp-content/uplo...henryviii2.jpg

I suppose The Brits invented the arbitrary and seemingly ridiculous rules of usage for these utensils as a way of holding up their noses in superiority at the rest of the world.;)

It's called progress!!:p

Bluegrass Lass May 7th 2010 6:02 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by Trixie_b (Post 8550099)
Errmmm While I accept that everyone has their own style I love eating out and dining out. I think there should be some ceremony over food, even when your at home.
I love food and someone has gone to a great deal of effort to present it to me.

Maybe that's the difference to me. I see food as fuel for my body, nothing more. I laugh at the idea of food presentation. I don't need pretty swirlies or designs on my plate - just put the food on there so I can eat it. Of course I always appreciate when someone cooks for me, I just see nothing ceremonial in putting food in my body. It's necessary for survival and that's all. But obviously we all are different, so each to their own.

RoadWarriorFromLP May 7th 2010 6:02 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by sunflwrgrl13 (Post 8550061)
Just leave your cutlery on the plate when you're done - what's so complicated about that?

It's not particularly "complicated". But since diners also leave their utensils on the plate while they are still eating, your server is going to have to ask before they clear the plates.

The point is that servers in the US often have no choice but to ask you if you have finished because they can't be sure that you're finished unless (a) you have eaten every scrap of food on your plate, (b) you use Ye Old Cutlery Signal (TM), (c) you push aside or stack the plates so that it's obvious that they are no longer needed, or (d) they ask you about it.

And since they rightly assume that most diners don't want unwanted plates to stay on the table for long and since (a)-(c) often don't apply, they usually end up asking. The interruption may annoy some of you or make you feel rushed, but you should see from this that they have their reasons for asking that have nothing to do with shoving you out the door.

Bluegrass Lass May 7th 2010 6:07 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 8550109)

And since they rightly assume that most diners don't want unwanted plates to stay on the table for long and since (a)-(c) often don't apply, they usually end up asking. The interruption may annoy some of you or make you feel rushed, but you should see from this that they have their reasons for asking that have nothing to do with shoving you out the door.

I guess I personally see nothing wrong with the question being asked. It's no different than an interruption about drink refills or asking how the food tastes.

Leslie May 7th 2010 6:15 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 
Oh joy. Another knife & fork thread.


Threads like this make me want to cut myself. Can somebody please advise as to the proper utensil to use for this?

Englishtart May 7th 2010 6:16 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 
I eat my food the way I was taught, with a knife and fork (never put down unless for drink or when finished)

Hubby eats how most mericuns do, just a fork used for both cutting and putting food in mouth. I have never tried to change the way he eats, he has never found my way strange, my kids have grown up watching both of us eat, I never pushed either way as 'better' and both my kids eat with just a fork.

Englishtart May 7th 2010 6:16 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 8550127)
Oh joy. Another knife & fork thread.


Threads like this make me want to cut myself. Can somebody please advise as to the proper utensil to use for this?

A sharp fork:D

Rete May 7th 2010 6:21 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 8549695)
That isn't it. Servers clear plates as quickly as possible because Americans get pissy when dirty plates are left on the table for too long.

The problem is that most Americans don't use the universal signal for indicating that we're finished (laying the knife and fork together on the plate), so the servers have to ask. They aren't trying to rush you, at least not most of the time.


Bull Dinky. If that there the universal code, then why don't the waitstaff in the US know about it. I was a server for more years than I wish to recount and in fine dining as well. Never heard such dribble.

Wherever do you come up with these generalizations and as an American you are awfully down on us. Phfft!

Leslie May 7th 2010 6:23 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 8550138)
Bull Dinky. If that there the universal code, then why don't the waitstaff in the US know about it. I was a server for more years than I wish to recount and in fine dining as well. Never heard such dribble.

Wherever do you come up with these generalizations and as an American you are awfully down on us. Phfft!

True. The fact that it's not used universally means it's not the universal code. :confused:

aries_bird May 7th 2010 6:26 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 
Can I change the subject slightly to Doggy Bags. Just wanted to say, I am not an ex-pat or living in the US but we have holiday'd there all over tonnes of times. I love America and just wanted to say I adore the way that Americans seem to order everything on the menu, with coupons for discounts and then take it all home for later! Unfortunately, we too have seen and done this so many times over there that we do it in the UK too. No one has ever refused us, but we do sometimes get some funny looks. :D

Bob May 7th 2010 6:26 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 8550109)
... but you should see from this that they have their reasons for asking that have nothing to do with shoving you out the door.

it's exactly that though....bums on seats, they ain't going to be earning many table tips if you sat there all night and if that's what they rely on rather than the wage, you feel that pressure too.

Rete May 7th 2010 6:27 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 8550127)
Oh joy. Another knife & fork thread.


Threads like this make me want to cut myself. Can somebody please advise as to the proper utensil to use for this?


You've been damned by the elite. It is not utensil but CUTLERY. Please read the entire thread before posting, Les, otherwise the elitists will have your nail your hide to the dining room wall.

Leslie May 7th 2010 6:30 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 8550152)
it's exactly that though....bums on seats, they ain't going to be earning many table tips if you sat there all night and if that's what they rely on rather than the wage, you feel that pressure too.

The thing is that no matter what servers do ... they can't win. If they don't rush around somebody bitches because they wanted to get in and out. If they don't clear the table quickly somebody bitches because they wanted to stay a while and chat but didn't want to do it over dirty dishes. IMO the "public" is just a dick.

Bill_S May 7th 2010 6:32 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 8550127)
Oh joy. Another knife & fork thread.

Maybe if we keep still and ignore it, it will go away and bother the Canadians instead.

Leslie May 7th 2010 6:32 am

Re: Knife and fork usage
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 8550154)
You've been damned by the elite. It is not utensil but CUTLERY. Please read the entire thread before posting, Les, otherwise the elitists will have your nail your hide to the dining room wall.

Too late. I just nailed myself to my own chair with my salad fork. Was that the wrong piece of cutlery to use? :confused:


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