Just got blasted by more anti O hate mail
Jul 18th 2010, 5:09 pm
#76
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Re: Just got blasted by more anti O hate mail
Meaningful - less likely to start an unnecessary war like the one Bush started in Iraq; more likely to push for changes in healthcare.
Those two items alone will make a difference.
You seem to focus on the purity of the process, their motivations, etc. You seem to get pissed off if, on the path to healthcare reform, some Democrat gets a donation from an insurance company or whatever. I don't care how 'dirty' the process is, as long as some change comes out of the other end. To be sure, I'd prefer it if everything were 100% above board, but - if they have to grease palms and line pockets along the way, so be it - as long as they get there.
Those two items alone will make a difference.
You seem to focus on the purity of the process, their motivations, etc. You seem to get pissed off if, on the path to healthcare reform, some Democrat gets a donation from an insurance company or whatever. I don't care how 'dirty' the process is, as long as some change comes out of the other end. To be sure, I'd prefer it if everything were 100% above board, but - if they have to grease palms and line pockets along the way, so be it - as long as they get there.
Jul 18th 2010, 5:59 pm
#77
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Re: Just got blasted by more anti O hate mail
You seem to focus on the purity of the process, their motivations, etc. You seem to get pissed off if, on the path to healthcare reform, some Democrat gets a donation from an insurance company or whatever. I don't care how 'dirty' the process is, as long as some change comes out of the other end. To be sure, I'd prefer it if everything were 100% above board, but - if they have to grease palms and line pockets along the way, so be it - as long as they get there.
Precisely.
Jul 18th 2010, 6:11 pm
#78
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Re: Just got blasted by more anti O hate mail
Big business gets to pull the strings to a great extent (as our friend emancioateddullard reminds us), but as I said I don't agree there is no change whatever party is in power.
Jul 18th 2010, 9:13 pm
#79
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Re: Just got blasted by more anti O hate mail
Both parties engage in practices I don't approve of; but I have no desire to get in there and do it myself, so I will judge them not by their methods but by their results. If that means 'the ends justify the means' then so be it.
Jul 19th 2010, 12:21 am
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Re: Just got blasted by more anti O hate mail
Zero taxes though...what a concept...lets go back to dirt roads and such..
Honestly..I dont think I pay a lot of taxes, certainly not income taxes if you have kids and a mortgage...
Sure I know, sales tax, DMV fees etc...
If they think we pay too much in taxes, they should move to the UK or Europe...am I right?
I could be alone in thinking this...
Honestly..I dont think I pay a lot of taxes, certainly not income taxes if you have kids and a mortgage...
Sure I know, sales tax, DMV fees etc...
If they think we pay too much in taxes, they should move to the UK or Europe...am I right?
I could be alone in thinking this...
Jul 20th 2010, 1:14 am
#81
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Re: Just got blasted by more anti O hate mail
Bush turned a $260 billion surplus into an annual deficit of $500 billion. On top of that he handed Obama a deep recession that caused tax receipts to decline by 28% (about $600 billion per year). So Obama started his term with a $1.1 trillion deficit before he even considered how to bring the economy out of the abys.
Obama passed a $787 billion stimulus plan that was spread primarily over three years. $288 billion were tax cuts, $300 billion was sent to the states to help them through the crisis, and the remaining $200 billion was for infrastructure projects. On top of that bills were passed to extend unemployment benefits. Obamas spending of about $400 billion a year for 3 years is temporary but Bushes spending is permanent.
So in reality, Obama will increase the national debt by about $1.2 trillion in increased spending over three years to try to stop the economic slide as compared to Bush who increased the national debt by about $4.5 trillion over 8 years to fund wars, $1.2 trillion in medicare reform, and about $250 billion per year in tax cuts.
Last edited by Michael; Jul 20th 2010 at 1:24 am.
Jul 20th 2010, 2:14 am
#82
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Re: Just got blasted by more anti O hate mail
I think your brain is being fried by listening to Limbaugh, Beck, and FOX news too much.
Bush turned a $260 billion surplus into an annual deficit of $500 billion. On top of that he handed Obama a deep recession that caused tax receipts to decline by 28% (about $600 billion per year). So Obama started his term with a $1.1 trillion deficit before he even considered how to bring the economy out of the abys.
Obama passed a $787 billion stimulus plan that was spread primarily over three years. $288 billion were tax cuts, $300 billion was sent to the states to help them through the crisis, and the remaining $200 billion was for infrastructure projects. On top of that bills were passed to extend unemployment benefits. Obamas spending of about $400 billion a year for 3 years is temporary but Bushes spending is permanent.
So in reality, Obama will increase the national debt by about $1.2 trillion in increased spending over three years to try to stop the economic slide as compared to Bush who increased the national debt by about $4.5 trillion over 8 years to fund wars, $1.2 trillion in medicare reform, and about $250 billion per year in tax cuts.
Bush turned a $260 billion surplus into an annual deficit of $500 billion. On top of that he handed Obama a deep recession that caused tax receipts to decline by 28% (about $600 billion per year). So Obama started his term with a $1.1 trillion deficit before he even considered how to bring the economy out of the abys.
Obama passed a $787 billion stimulus plan that was spread primarily over three years. $288 billion were tax cuts, $300 billion was sent to the states to help them through the crisis, and the remaining $200 billion was for infrastructure projects. On top of that bills were passed to extend unemployment benefits. Obamas spending of about $400 billion a year for 3 years is temporary but Bushes spending is permanent.
So in reality, Obama will increase the national debt by about $1.2 trillion in increased spending over three years to try to stop the economic slide as compared to Bush who increased the national debt by about $4.5 trillion over 8 years to fund wars, $1.2 trillion in medicare reform, and about $250 billion per year in tax cuts.
