Home and garden projects
#1396
Re: Home and garden projects
I replaced a couple of sliding patio doors a few years ago. I had established before starting that they were standard sizes (60-inch wide x 80-inch tall opening) so bought the new doors from Home Depot, a roll of waterproofing tape, a bag of shims, and set to it. And, as mentioned above, I had watched a whole assortment of youtube videos beforehand.
The project was actually remarkably easy. The only challenging part was that the original builders had totally bodged the support for the outer sill plate of one of the doors: our house has brick siding, and the sill was held up by offcuts of 2x4 and bits of broken brick wedged in with other scrap. Which would explain the occasional seepage into the (unfinished) section of basement below that door when the rain was driven by wind in that direction (thankfully not the prevailing one...). Thankfully, too, that was the second door; the first had clearly been done properly so I had a good idea of what it was supposed to look like. I had a slack handful of bricks left over from a previous project, so another quick trip to HD for a bag of premix mortar meant I was able to sort out the mess easily enough. And by that time it was still early enough on the Sunday morning of a long weekend that we lived with the proverbial gaping hole for only 24 hours until the mortar had set up enough to set the new door in its frame. Shimming and securing the doors while checking for level.plumb and square was a 2-person job, as was lifting the damn things into place in the rough opening, but otherwise it was all pretty straightforward.
Of course, painting the new trim on the inside took another few months to get to, but I'd spent all my energy on making sure the outside was properly finished and fully watertight
I'd agree that interior doors are an altogether tougher proposition - done a few of those, both pre-hung and retrofit, and it's hard to get them as pretty (or work as well) in twice the time as a professional can throw them up and have them completely true.
The project was actually remarkably easy. The only challenging part was that the original builders had totally bodged the support for the outer sill plate of one of the doors: our house has brick siding, and the sill was held up by offcuts of 2x4 and bits of broken brick wedged in with other scrap. Which would explain the occasional seepage into the (unfinished) section of basement below that door when the rain was driven by wind in that direction (thankfully not the prevailing one...). Thankfully, too, that was the second door; the first had clearly been done properly so I had a good idea of what it was supposed to look like. I had a slack handful of bricks left over from a previous project, so another quick trip to HD for a bag of premix mortar meant I was able to sort out the mess easily enough. And by that time it was still early enough on the Sunday morning of a long weekend that we lived with the proverbial gaping hole for only 24 hours until the mortar had set up enough to set the new door in its frame. Shimming and securing the doors while checking for level.plumb and square was a 2-person job, as was lifting the damn things into place in the rough opening, but otherwise it was all pretty straightforward.
Of course, painting the new trim on the inside took another few months to get to, but I'd spent all my energy on making sure the outside was properly finished and fully watertight
I'd agree that interior doors are an altogether tougher proposition - done a few of those, both pre-hung and retrofit, and it's hard to get them as pretty (or work as well) in twice the time as a professional can throw them up and have them completely true.
#1397
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Re: Home and garden projects
As with everything in life it all depends on what you're starting with, the reliability of the guy in charge of measuring and the installers ability.
Hanging doors and windows in manufactured homes is definitely one of the more challenging jobs, as the blasted things tend to settle over time and you can be left with off-square holes in walls that pitch in or out and not be straight.
Brick builds tend to be easier, strip the render/drywall from a few spots on the side you are going to take it out from to make measurement taking more accurate. Make sure you have access to a decent hammer drill with assorted bits/spades and fastenings before you start, US stores seem to have good return policies so better to start with more than you need rather than less. Wedges and a few wood offcuts can also be helpful. Get an early start and get the old one out as quickly as you can. Or find a pro...
Edit: A well stocked tool kit helps. Compressor, nail gun, reciprocating saw, radio, etc
Hanging doors and windows in manufactured homes is definitely one of the more challenging jobs, as the blasted things tend to settle over time and you can be left with off-square holes in walls that pitch in or out and not be straight.
Brick builds tend to be easier, strip the render/drywall from a few spots on the side you are going to take it out from to make measurement taking more accurate. Make sure you have access to a decent hammer drill with assorted bits/spades and fastenings before you start, US stores seem to have good return policies so better to start with more than you need rather than less. Wedges and a few wood offcuts can also be helpful. Get an early start and get the old one out as quickly as you can. Or find a pro...
Edit: A well stocked tool kit helps. Compressor, nail gun, reciprocating saw, radio, etc
My house is mostly concrete block covered in stucco. I'm going to gather as much info as I can for the time being. Working outside during the summer here is a PITA anyway.
#1398
Re: Home and garden projects
Anyone painted their house exterior? Our house is clad in something like pasteboard with rough timber trim, and the whole exterior is painted with I assume latex paint. It seems an easy enough job, but I have never seen anyone here paint their own house, it is always a Pay Someone Else (PSE) job. Latex paint is expensive, so maybe the contractor can get a better price on the paint?
The asphalt shingle roof is shot too, back patio is covered in gritty stuff off the roof, and the tiles look decidedly shiny. I replaced the ridge tiles a couple of years ago that gave the roof another couple of years, but I guess the time it takes to replace the whole roof probably needs a PSE team to get the job done before winter sets in.
The asphalt shingle roof is shot too, back patio is covered in gritty stuff off the roof, and the tiles look decidedly shiny. I replaced the ridge tiles a couple of years ago that gave the roof another couple of years, but I guess the time it takes to replace the whole roof probably needs a PSE team to get the job done before winter sets in.
#1399
Re: Home and garden projects
Anyone painted their house exterior? Our house is clad in something like pasteboard with rough timber trim, and the whole exterior is painted with I assume latex paint. It seems an easy enough job, but I have never seen anyone here paint their own house, it is always a Pay Someone Else (PSE) job. Latex paint is expensive, so maybe the contractor can get a better price on the paint?
The asphalt shingle roof is shot too, back patio is covered in gritty stuff off the roof, and the tiles look decidedly shiny. I replaced the ridge tiles a couple of years ago that gave the roof another couple of years, but I guess the time it takes to replace the whole roof probably needs a PSE team to get the job done before winter sets in.
The asphalt shingle roof is shot too, back patio is covered in gritty stuff off the roof, and the tiles look decidedly shiny. I replaced the ridge tiles a couple of years ago that gave the roof another couple of years, but I guess the time it takes to replace the whole roof probably needs a PSE team to get the job done before winter sets in.
For roofing, avoid reroofing with asphalt shingles if you can avoid it i.e. if you aren't forced to by your HOA. Metal roofing is all the rage, and there are a number of manufacturers of different types of metal shingles, including some that are grit-coated and look just like asphalt shingles if that is the look that you want to go for, or your HOA will accept that product.
Last edited by Pulaski; May 7th 2019 at 3:57 am.
#1400
Re: Home and garden projects
Anyone painted their house exterior? Our house is clad in something like pasteboard with rough timber trim, and the whole exterior is painted with I assume latex paint. It seems an easy enough job, but I have never seen anyone here paint their own house, it is always a Pay Someone Else (PSE) job. Latex paint is expensive, so maybe the contractor can get a better price on the paint?
The asphalt shingle roof is shot too, back patio is covered in gritty stuff off the roof, and the tiles look decidedly shiny. I replaced the ridge tiles a couple of years ago that gave the roof another couple of years, but I guess the time it takes to replace the whole roof probably needs a PSE team to get the job done before winter sets in.
The asphalt shingle roof is shot too, back patio is covered in gritty stuff off the roof, and the tiles look decidedly shiny. I replaced the ridge tiles a couple of years ago that gave the roof another couple of years, but I guess the time it takes to replace the whole roof probably needs a PSE team to get the job done before winter sets in.
My biggest issues with the painters was ... working in the rain! We don't get a lot of rain in the Bay Area, but if it does rain on your scheduled day(s), they are very reluctant to NOT work. I had to argue with the workers, and later the boss, when the workers on site tried to paint in actual rain! And the second it stopped, they were at it again ... even though the walls were clearly wet! I was selling the house so didn't stress it too much, but it boggled my mind that they would be applying paint in and after rain. Obviously, they set a schedule (my date was months out, it was VERY hard to get anyone to do the job) so they don't like to encounter any delays. They also used some fillers on some wood damage, and painted over it immediately ... despite instructions saying to wait 24 hours, etc. Everything is time/schedule driven with them. Sadly, for me, my house required massive scaffolding so it wasn't something I could even contemplate myself. It cost me $18,000 just for the scaffolding before the painters could even start (and that was another schedule driver - I was paying for the scaffolding by the day). That house was an 'architecturally interesting' property ... never again!
#1401
Re: Home and garden projects
one 5gal bucket should be enough
They tell you they are going to do all kinds of prep and prime, etc but they just wave a pressure wash wand over everything and slap on the new paint.
#1402
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Re: Home and garden projects
Check out the electric Wagner sprayers. There are several utube videos showing their use. Not that expensive and if they just paint one house it would be worth the cost.
#1403
Re: Home and garden projects
I would also look into rental. The gear my pro's used looked very heavy duty and expensive, so buying would likely be out of the question. The question I can't answer is - are the expensive 'pro' models easier to use (and yield better results) than the Wagner models you can buy? I did buy a Wagner model 20 years ago and absolutely hated it - but I may not have spent enough time learning how to use it. It seemed to clog very easily, and was hard to get an even finish with. The thing I heard about more recently was that you should use a 'low pressure' version, for what its worth.
#1404
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Re: Home and garden projects
I bought one of these to paint a whole house (interior) prior to selling. Went through about 15 gallons of paint to cover a 4 bedroom house.
As Sid said, it's all about preparation. Would take 3-4 hours to mask off all the bits you don't want to paint and then 30 minutes to paint.
Cleanup is also a pain as you have to flush the paint out before storing.
The problem with the smaller handheld ones is they are heavy and only hold 1 or 2 pints at a time so you're forever refilling and there's really no clean way to do that.
As Sid said, it's all about preparation. Would take 3-4 hours to mask off all the bits you don't want to paint and then 30 minutes to paint.
Cleanup is also a pain as you have to flush the paint out before storing.
The problem with the smaller handheld ones is they are heavy and only hold 1 or 2 pints at a time so you're forever refilling and there's really no clean way to do that.
#1405
Re: Home and garden projects
I bought one of these to paint a whole house (interior) prior to selling. Went through about 15 gallons of paint to cover a 4 bedroom house.
As Sid said, it's all about preparation. Would take 3-4 hours to mask off all the bits you don't want to paint and then 30 minutes to paint.
Cleanup is also a pain as you have to flush the paint out before storing.
The problem with the smaller handheld ones is they are heavy and only hold 1 or 2 pints at a time so you're forever refilling and there's really no clean way to do that.
As Sid said, it's all about preparation. Would take 3-4 hours to mask off all the bits you don't want to paint and then 30 minutes to paint.
Cleanup is also a pain as you have to flush the paint out before storing.
The problem with the smaller handheld ones is they are heavy and only hold 1 or 2 pints at a time so you're forever refilling and there's really no clean way to do that.
I imagine it would take a few walls (or rooms!) to get the hang of how to use it - best pressure setting, best way to hold, how fast to move, etc. I often feel like I'm an expert in something when I'm finally done, and would love to start all over again!
#1406
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Re: Home and garden projects
How loud is it ... bearable? In some of the pictures on the site, they show the guy without any mask; I would have thought a mask (if not a full-blown body cover) would be necessary due to the paint spray?
I imagine it would take a few walls (or rooms!) to get the hang of how to use it - best pressure setting, best way to hold, how fast to move, etc. I often feel like I'm an expert in something when I'm finally done, and would love to start all over again!
I imagine it would take a few walls (or rooms!) to get the hang of how to use it - best pressure setting, best way to hold, how fast to move, etc. I often feel like I'm an expert in something when I'm finally done, and would love to start all over again!
I wore a paper style mask but there really wasn't a lot of excess spray. We also bought the extension wand which made it easy to do a wall from floor to ceiling in one pass.
The first room we did was a bit too thick trying to do full coverage in one pass and ended up with some runs. Lesson learned and subsequent rooms we did a couple of thinner coats for full coverage.
I chose this one because it would take a 5-gallon bucket. I wouldn't bother with it for a single room but for a whole house (or any big job) it's great.
We also used this masking tape which has 2ft of plastic sheet attached to the tape. It worked great.
#1407
Re: Home and garden projects
I bought one of these to paint a whole house (interior) prior to selling. Went through about 15 gallons of paint to cover a 4 bedroom house.
As Sid said, it's all about preparation. Would take 3-4 hours to mask off all the bits you don't want to paint and then 30 minutes to paint.
Cleanup is also a pain as you have to flush the paint out before storing.
The problem with the smaller handheld ones is they are heavy and only hold 1 or 2 pints at a time so you're forever refilling and there's really no clean way to do that.
As Sid said, it's all about preparation. Would take 3-4 hours to mask off all the bits you don't want to paint and then 30 minutes to paint.
Cleanup is also a pain as you have to flush the paint out before storing.
The problem with the smaller handheld ones is they are heavy and only hold 1 or 2 pints at a time so you're forever refilling and there's really no clean way to do that.
#1408
Re: Home and garden projects
I was wondering about spraying - this was obviously how it was done originally, as I have spent some time cleaning spray paint off the windows. Since it is not a huge area, I am inclined to use a roller on a long handle.
I once had a job spraying buildings with textured paint ("Kenitex"). The spray gun was connected to the pump by two heavy-duty pipes. The gun would block at the most inconvenient times - like when I had climbed to the top of a fully extended triple extension ladder to reach the top of a chimney stack on a house gable end. Those pipes got heavy at that height. At the top of the ladder, stretched up to the chimney top, pressed trigger and gun blocked. Climbed all the way down, unblocked the gun, climbed back up, gun blocked again.
If using a roller takes multiple coats, then yes I may go for spraying. Once masked up it is quick and gets a good finish.
I once had a job spraying buildings with textured paint ("Kenitex"). The spray gun was connected to the pump by two heavy-duty pipes. The gun would block at the most inconvenient times - like when I had climbed to the top of a fully extended triple extension ladder to reach the top of a chimney stack on a house gable end. Those pipes got heavy at that height. At the top of the ladder, stretched up to the chimney top, pressed trigger and gun blocked. Climbed all the way down, unblocked the gun, climbed back up, gun blocked again.
If using a roller takes multiple coats, then yes I may go for spraying. Once masked up it is quick and gets a good finish.
#1409
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Re: Home and garden projects
We bought one, used it once, and decided that between the masking off, floor covering, cleaning up, and cleaning the equipment, not to mention the use of overalls (it isn't easy to find ones that fit me) it was, all things considered, easier and quicker to use a 18" paint roller; "trimming" around the edges and doors and windows is the time consuming bit.
#1410
Re: Home and garden projects
I bought one of these for painting against edges, it's so cheap and easy to use: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Shur-Lin...6561/202080280