BenK91

A proportion? You mean an extremely small minority?

I can only think of 5/6 of us on this thread that own firearms which surely makes your statement clearly inaccurate...

Maybe I'm reading wrong, but it certainly comes across like an overwhelming majority on this thread have been pointing fingers at gun owners.

SultanOfSwing

There are 13 posters in this thread who have an in-thread post count of 20 or more. I think we can use that as a reasonable enough sample size for the thread as a whole Six out of thirteen is damn near half. I think Robin's close enough with his terminology.

Clearly you are reading wrong, because I don't remember as many posters pointing fingers at gun owners as I remember gun owners being defensive for no good reason.

I'm sorry if you are experiencing guilt by association but the majority of posters being in favour of some degree or other of gun control does not equate to everyone blaming gun owners. You yourself have said you'd give up your gun if it came to it.

Don't confuse OF and Boiler's obfuscation and shitposting for anything genuine.

Lion in Winter

I'm not even really "anti gun". I'm more "anti piles of dead people" and in this country guns clearly facilitate that and have become interwoven with a culture prepared to use them. A lot.

Nutmegger

Much as I dislike guns, I don't blame the "man in the street" gun owner for what has been going on in the US, and I have no interest in taking away everyone's recreational or personal protection weapon. "They want to take your guns away" is a scare tactic completely propagated by the NRA. However, I do feel that gun owners are prone to get defensive about weapons, rather than sharing in the disgust towards the evil usage of a certain class of weapon (by the way, no one has yet coherently explained just why it is necessary for the average person to own such a weapon) and coming together with non-gun owners to work towards a solution. This shouldn't be "us against them" for either viewpoint in this debate, it should be rational people uniting to put things right.

robin1234

So what are you saying here ... Five or six people is not "a proportion?" Somehow that's a "clearly inaccurate" statement?

robin1234

In fact, out of about 790 posts, I'd like to see you identify ten .. twenty posts ... that blame gun owners. So why are you so defensive, based on what? As Sultan pointed out, half of the prolific posters in this thread are "pro-gun."

You don't need to admit you're wrong, but hopefully we'll see less cocky victimhood from you in the future.

Octang Frye

That person also blatantly said all we gun-owners are time bombs, waiting to go on a rampage. While insulting, it shows you the mindset of people like this. It's called projection. Thank heavens RoadWarriorLLC doesn't have access to firearms.

robin1234

no he didn't.

SultanOfSwing

I didn't see that but again, that's one poster. One. If you're insulted by his posts, take that up with him and leave me out of it because it's not my issue, nor my problem.

Octang Frye

I'm leaving you out of it. You've actually been pretty measured in this thread.

Not quite Leslie levels of reasonableness, but pretty close.

SultanOfSwing

None of us can achieve Leslie levels of reasonableness, so I will take that as high praise.

robin1234

He didn't say it. Can you admit you were in error? Or prove I'm in error? I'm getting sick of the lies, innuendo and boo-hoo victimhood displayed by gun nuts on this thread.

mrken30

There is very little compassion and forgiveness in the US. This goes from the bottom all the way up to the top. It is no coincidence that just days after a 19 year old sought revenge , that the State seek revenge by death. Until this attitude changes, nothing will change in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d7083adb42db

Tarkak9

I will share a friend's facebook post which was from yesterday ....

"Today at school, our little girl(8) learned to not leave her hiding place to help a friend or teacher who has been shot" ....

I guess the question remains, will there now be frequent Cold War 'Duck and Cover' style drills introduced to our schools??

Shard

I don't think it's so much a lack of compassion or forgiveness. That does exist. I think it's a heightened sense of revenge, rights, punishment. You can see all through the legal system, with everyone suing everyone else, with minimal consumer protections, with excessive prison sentencing etc.. Just reducing the reflex to be revengeful would be a start. That doesn't necessarily require compassion, it can be neutrality or basic tolerance.