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It was inflammatory to put that scene in the film. I'm not sure what the point was other than to show how desperate things were. Did anyone else notice that it was "the enemy" in the wording at the beginning of the film? Not "The Germans"
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Don't spoil it, this is going to come out on video some day. There was a man in my home town who was in WW1, all I remember about him was that he had a wooden leg. The people who have been there tell you don't go, it's the worst thing ever That's why we respect those that did.
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Don't spoil it, this is going to come out on video some day. There was a man in my home town who was in WW1, all I remember about him was that he had a wooden leg. The people who have been there tell you don't go, it's the worst thing ever That's why we respect those that did.
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Saw the movie this afternoon and thought it was excellent in depicting the hell they went through.
The beach scenes looked a bit empty considering that over 350,000 troops were trapped on it. Either that or Dunkirk beach must stretch for literally miles.
A touch of Cecil B. De Mille was needed there
The beach scenes looked a bit empty considering that over 350,000 troops were trapped on it. Either that or Dunkirk beach must stretch for literally miles.
A touch of Cecil B. De Mille was needed there
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If executing the looters was wrong then it's only part of a whole lot of things that go wrong in a war zone.
After the Malmedy massacre of around 80 American POWs by the S.S very few if any S.S taken prisoner after that were spared. The Red Army shot S.S taken prisoner as a matter of course.
Combat screws up minds and rules of warfare go by the wayside occasionally.
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On the question of collaboration and survivinbg in France (ie Vichy France) I recommend the film "Lacombe Lucien"., Ask yourselves, "What would I have done ?" Probably the same as in Jersey and Guernsey where the civilian authorities cooperated with the German Occupiers. (A more loaded word is "collaborated")
https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Collaboration
No easy answers - and it is not just black and white.
https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Collaboration
No easy answers - and it is not just black and white.
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True in what you say. Despite being occupied they still had to feed families, do their jobs and keep their heads down.
That's different from the French civilian who sympathized with the Nazis and offered his or her services to the Gestapo. There was a group of French volunteers called the Milice. They wore black Nazi style uniforms and actively participated in the rounding up of Jews and any others on the Nazi wanted list. Some volunteered for service with the S.S as did others in the in the rest of the occupied countries. These are what I call collaborators in the real sense of the word
That's different from the French civilian who sympathized with the Nazis and offered his or her services to the Gestapo. There was a group of French volunteers called the Milice. They wore black Nazi style uniforms and actively participated in the rounding up of Jews and any others on the Nazi wanted list. Some volunteered for service with the S.S as did others in the in the rest of the occupied countries. These are what I call collaborators in the real sense of the word
My point simply is there was widespread collaboration throughout Europe, mainly for practical reasons but yes some sympathized with aspects of Nazi ideology- or simply knowing what had been occurring in Russia since the revolution, fear of the Bolsheviks. If collaborators defined narrowly as you present, I don't know if there were that many in France.
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"Frenchmen"?? there were not many left alone to live comfortably in France.
Not my experience of talking to french people either - if you could get anyone to talk about it in the first place. Most of the people that I talked to would have been children during the war and all they say is that they were terrified and starving. My husband's great uncle was a 12 yr old near Lyon, he is tiny and says that he and his friends just did not get enough to eat.
Not my experience of talking to french people either - if you could get anyone to talk about it in the first place. Most of the people that I talked to would have been children during the war and all they say is that they were terrified and starving. My husband's great uncle was a 12 yr old near Lyon, he is tiny and says that he and his friends just did not get enough to eat.
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While the numbers were not necessarily large by country, the SS had volunteers from all over Europe.
My point simply is there was widespread collaboration throughout Europe, mainly for practical reasons but yes some sympathized with aspects of Nazi ideology- or simply knowing what had been occurring in Russia since the revolution, fear of the Bolsheviks. If collaborators defined narrowly as you present, I don't know if there were that many in France.
My point simply is there was widespread collaboration throughout Europe, mainly for practical reasons but yes some sympathized with aspects of Nazi ideology- or simply knowing what had been occurring in Russia since the revolution, fear of the Bolsheviks. If collaborators defined narrowly as you present, I don't know if there were that many in France.
The massacre of the entire population of Oradour sur Glane was carried out by S.S troops who were mostly from Alsace-Lorraine.
I'm not necessarily getting on the case of the French in particular. There were numbers of volunteers for the SS from other occupied countries. They even tried to recruit British POWs to join up.... a unit they called the St George Division. I don't think they had much success. The numbers who may have joined wouldn't have filled a telephone box.
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