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Old Jul 21st 2017, 6:00 pm
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I think that goes back to the early days, later ones with wet stowage had a relatively high survivability, one crew dead for every disable tank.
The only advantage the Sherman had over the latest German Tiger tank was that it could like the T-34 be produced in much greater quantities and with an inexhaustible supply of replacements to cover the losses

I've heard some of these old veterans talk about the Sherman. Like the tank battle scene shown in the film "Fury" the only sure way to knock out a Tiger before it got you was to keep out of range while circling to the side of it and then getting close in fast enough to get off a shot at the turret side where the armor was less protective.

The Germans did manage to field some very good weapons, the 88 MM field artillery gun, the MG-42 machine gun and a bit too late the V-2. and the ME-262 jet fighter.
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I have been amazed for many years by the ignorance of geography and world history amongst many if not most Americans. Recently in conversation with a History major at American university and somehow Spanish civil war came up-the History major said he had never heard of it. Yes some events more pertinent to America may not be common knowledge in Europe.
Fortunately though for an increasing number of young Americans the chance to study for a semester or two in Europe does more good than mediocre class room study at home. At least they're exposed to the ways and culture of the host country and able to pick up on some of it's history.

The all time dumbbell I once met when the conversation came up on Europe was his question "Is the UK in eastern or western Europe"?
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Over All a decent movie, but lacking any sense of scale, especially on the beach scenes. The was a lot of intensity in many scenes but again not so much in the beach scenes. The except from Churchill's speech from the newspaper was well presented.
The score was excellent
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Fortunately though for an increasing number of young Americans the chance to study for a semester or two in Europe does more good than mediocre class room study at home. At least they're exposed to the ways and culture of the host country and able to pick up on some of it's history.

The all time dumbbell I once met when the conversation came up on Europe was his question "Is the UK in eastern or western Europe"?
Yes a semester abroad for those few who can do so can be helpful.
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Yes a semester abroad for those few who can do so can be helpful.
Why few? Our experience, and other friends and colleagues I compared notes with, is that a year or semester abroad cost about the same (or sometimes less) than spending that year or semester on campus.
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Why few? Our experience, and other friends and colleagues I compared notes with, is that a year or semester abroad cost about the same (or sometimes less) than spending that year or semester on campus.
I doubt it is a high percentage of American students do a semester or year abroad. I asked someone who teaches at a university the past few years how many students did or planned to spend a semester or year abroad, a very small percentage. Why few, I don't know, maybe cost ( above tuition), concern about being in a foreign country, maybe considering poor foreign language capability of American students that dissuades them.
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian
Operation Barbarossa (the German invasion of Russia) was more or less inevitable for several reasons. Probably foremost was the need to secure access to the Caucasus oilfields after analysis of the situation in North Africa and the Middle East led to concerns over the stability of Germany's existing supply of fuel oil. Also, though, there was a strong ideological drive to replace the Slavic population with more - erm - suitably Aryan people, providing both lebensraum for the Master Race and giving access to rich farmlands.

Of course, the execution of the campaign was hampered by weather, by inconsistent command objectives and incompetent commanders, and by the unexpected fierceness of Russian defence, especially the winter counteroffensive in late 1941 and early 42. None of which diminishes the absolutely appalling human consequences of the campaign - including that there were more casualties, both directly and indirectly through starvation and disease, than all other theatres of war put together, I believe.
One interesting fact I learned recently is that the US was able to produce a phenomenal number of aircraft due to the abundant amount of electrical power available thanks to the construction of all the hyrdo-electric dams in the northwest. Aluminum production was key to aircraft production, and aluminum production requires a lot of energy. Germany didn't have the power production capacity to match this. Fascinating how such factors can affect the outcome of a war!

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... vast new hydro-eclectic projects significantly expanded power production. This meant that on the eve of World War II, American industry had access to huge quantities of low-cost electricity. This was something the Axis planners did not take into account in assessing the potential industrial capacity of the United States. The Columbia River in the Northwest played an especially important role in the American aluminum industry. The industry was the first major industrial customer of Columbia River hydro power. The aluminum industry which at first was relatively small, grew to employ around 11,000 people in the Northwest and consume 3,150 megawatts of electricity. Colombia River power developed just in time for World War II. No country in the world had a comparable electrical generation capacity. The American electrical power generation capacity would also play a major role in the Manhattan Project. The Bonneville Dam came on line just as Hitler began to use the German Luftwaffe to terrorize Europe (1938). The Grand Coulee Dam was completed further expanding power production just before Pearl Harbor (1941). The first Alcoa smelter was in Vancouver which was the birth of the Northwest aluminum industry. Other aluminum smelters quickly followed given the rapidly expanding demand from defense plants. Reynolds Metals Company constructed the next one, at Longview, Washington, about 40 miles north of Vancouver (1941). Other plants were built by the Defense Plant Corporation, which was formed by the Federal government to rapidly expand critical industries. The plants were dispersed geographically around the Northwest, so that they could benefit multiple communities. Each used electricity primarily from Bonneville. Boeing, which was already building B-17 bombers n Seattle, was a primary consumer of aluminum from the Northwest smelters. This was just the beginning as after Pear Harbor, American aircraft production increased exponentially. One source estimates that electricity from the Grand Coulee Dam alone provided the power to make the aluminum used for an estimated one-third of the American aircraft built during World War II.
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At it's peak of production Willow Run was spitting out a B-24 every 90 minutes. I told my friend Hans (who's dad had bombed England in Heinkels) that they didn't stand a chance.
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Originally Posted by morpeth
I doubt it is a high percentage of American students do a semester or year abroad. I asked someone who teaches at a university the past few years how many students did or planned to spend a semester or year abroad, a very small percentage. Why few, I don't know, maybe cost ( above tuition), concern about being in a foreign country, maybe considering poor foreign language capability of American students that dissuades them.
Many students have the opportunity but choose not to. One reason would be varsity sports or other extracurricular activity such as music or choir, the student may not wish to give that up in their junior year.

And students in a pre-med or other science major may not be able to fulfill their graduation requirements if they spend a semester abroad.
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Fortunately for the Allied bomber crews Hitler typical to form interfered in the development and use of the ME-262 jet fighter deciding in his boundless wisdom that the aircraft should be used as some kind of bomber.

Overall Hitler's bad decisions were the best weapon we had to win the war
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Overall Hitler's bad decisions were the best weapon we had to win the war
The Eastern Front was where most of the German combatants were killed, and where most of the Allied combatants were killed, and the Russians/Soviet did most of it on their own. There was probably a little Napoleon envy involved in some decisions.
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One interesting fact I learned recently is that the US was able to produce a phenomenal number of aircraft due to the abundant amount of electrical power available thanks to the construction of all the hyrdo-electric dams in the northwest. Aluminum production was key to aircraft production, and aluminum production requires a lot of energy. Germany didn't have the power production capacity to match this. Fascinating how such factors can affect the outcome of a war!

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Meanwhile in Peenemunde the Germans were experimenting with rockets that could reach the outer limits of earth's atmosphere. Mass production and freedom from bombing raids brought us victory but compared to the Germans in some technological fields we were pitifully far behind but not thankfully in the development of the A-bomb
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Originally Posted by robin1234
Many students have the opportunity but choose not to. One reason would be varsity sports or other extracurricular activity such as music or choir, the student may not wish to give that up in their junior year.

And students in a pre-med or other science major may not be able to fulfill their graduation requirements if they spend a semester abroad.
Good point, but I think also depends on region of the country perhaps. I was in the Midwest , I can hardly imagine the average university student if they did consider a year abroad having the money to do so. Also generally Americans don't speak foreign languages too often which also dissuades some from contemplating a year abroad ( let alone many do not even have passports).

We saw what you mentioned in high schools- parents who would put their children in public schools because of sports programs.
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The Eastern Front was where most of the German combatants were killed, and where most of the Allied combatants were killed, and the Russians/Soviet did most of it on their own. There was probably a little Napoleon envy involved in some decisions.
In retrospect Hitler's decision to invade Russia made sense from his ideological stance, from the assessment of what Stalin's intentions were, and to reach the oil fields. The information provided by his generals in their assessment of Russia's capabilities based on the Russian war with Finland was similar to his own views. I doubt Russians at the time thought there was no doubt as to the ultimate outcome.

What would have happened if Hitler had listened to Goebbels concept of "total war" and much earlier put Germany on a more complete war-footing : he was worried constantly in the earlier years about what had happened in WWI
in Germany on the home front ? It is not inconceivable Germany could have won, though the combined manpower/ruthlessness of Russia and America's productive capacity, and Britain's resolve, makes it seem obvious today he could not have won.
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The Eastern Front was where most of the German combatants were killed, and where most of the Allied combatants were killed, and the Russians/Soviet did most of it on their own. There was probably a little Napoleon envy involved in some decisions.
Agreed. I would also add that the victory at Stalingrad was the actual turning point in the war. From then on the Germans with one or two exceptions transitioned from an offensive force to a defensive one. This is not to say that the victory at El Alamein and the successful landings in Normandy were any less important.
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