Charlie Hebdo shooting in France
#256
Re: Charlie Hebdo shooting in France
What may be "bad" at one moment in time can become the norm in the future. Abortion??
And as for gender inequality - really? Surely you mean pay inequality or health inequality? In our society, women are equal to men, and the kinks are being ironed out I think?
#257
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One thing that distinguishes a free society from a dictatorship is that we don't charge people for thought crimes. We care about what people do (or intend to do), not what they think.
People are free to have their religious beliefs. They aren't free to blow things up and shoot each other, irrespective of what motivates them.
By focusing on bad acts, we can stay true to our democratic principles while simultaneously being more effective -- focusing on the crime instead of on the stereotypes gets better results.
People are free to have their religious beliefs. They aren't free to blow things up and shoot each other, irrespective of what motivates them.
By focusing on bad acts, we can stay true to our democratic principles while simultaneously being more effective -- focusing on the crime instead of on the stereotypes gets better results.
#258
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"A religion is not just a set of texts but the living beliefs and practices of its adherents. Islam today includes a substantial minority of believers who countenance, if they don’t actually carry out, a degree of violence in the application of their convictions that is currently unique." .....
#259
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To win you need numbers and will. Morale high ground etc is both subjective and irrelevant.
To be honest this is pretty much small beer, nasty if you were one of those directly involved but that is far as it goes.
The bigger picture has not changed.
To be honest this is pretty much small beer, nasty if you were one of those directly involved but that is far as it goes.
The bigger picture has not changed.
#260
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But we in the West ARE free to drop bombs and rockets on civilians in faraway countries - or, at least, a majority of our political representatives feel free to order their militaries to do so; and the voters keep voting to re-elect those representatives. What are the victims supposed to think of those voters and their beliefs?
#261
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Ruling on one who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) - islamqa.info
For those wondering about correct punishment for those who insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
For those wondering about correct punishment for those who insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
#262
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#263
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Wow! Just popped through and asked cs whiz hacker daughter about this. She said this has been going on in the hacker world since last week. The aim is to disrupt their communication channels (extremists are not very sophisticated it seems) and bring down websites.
Think I might just upgrade the security at our house......
Think I might just upgrade the security at our house......
#264
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It's possible this could be counterproductive as the security forces may currently obtain useful information from their websites.
Better to quietly leave Trojans...
Better to quietly leave Trojans...
#265
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I would make a bet that the FBI keeps a close eye on the hacker communities. Apparently last week a few hackers were interviewed about the stuff going on in N Korea. They were laughing their heads off.
#266
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That isn't quite what I said. What I am noting is that people will do what they are going to do (assuming that they have the means to do it), and use what they can to rationalize it. Sometimes, that takes the form of religion.
This isn't about religion or cartoons, but about a desire for respect and/or power. Imagine a rapist who targets the west instead of women, and you will find that the mentality is largely the same.
That isn't quite what I said. What I am noting is that people will do what they are going to do (assuming that they have the means to do it), and use what they can to rationalize it. Sometimes, that takes the form of religion.
This isn't about religion or cartoons, but about a desire for respect and/or power. Imagine a rapist who targets the west instead of women, and you will find that the mentality is largely the same.
#267
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It's always risky finding evidence in personal examples, because somebody else can find contrary evidence in other personal examples. My cousin in Leicester happily lived with a Bangladeshi fellow for twenty years - and was accepted readily by his children. She got on better with them than their own mother did. And don't get me started on Catholic-Protestant bitterness in my parents' respective families' lives. And so on and so on... Do my examples cancel out your examples?
#269
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I agree, but the message in most western countries to immigrants from different cultures is almost entirely a mix of "we are tolerant of your culture", and "it's OK to be different", and virtually none of "we don't do that here, it's not acceptable".
Much of the problems (relatively rare though they are) over the past ten years or so appears to be with second generation immigrants who came to the West with their parents, or were born here, and so weren't part of the decision to pursue a better income, healthcare, etc. But despite growing up in a western country they have been allowed to grow up in an alien culture, and somehow have turned that into a homicidal hatred for the culture of the country in which they live.
Much of the problems (relatively rare though they are) over the past ten years or so appears to be with second generation immigrants who came to the West with their parents, or were born here, and so weren't part of the decision to pursue a better income, healthcare, etc. But despite growing up in a western country they have been allowed to grow up in an alien culture, and somehow have turned that into a homicidal hatred for the culture of the country in which they live.
There was blatant discrimination against these immigrants back then. One could say it was that discrimination back then that has led to the situation today - the incumbent society did not welcome these new folks, and thus they turned inwards and built their own cultural ecosystem, raising the next generation as outsiders of the mainstream society. I'm sure this is true, but - one thing I understand now that I didn't understand then - we had large influxes of both Indian and Pakistani immigrants, and today, the Indians are almost entirely integrated while the Pakistanis have become more marginalized. One key difference is ... religion.