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dakota44 Nov 28th 2020 4:31 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12940895)
:frown:

Oh come on. You know I'm just funnin.

spouse of scouse Nov 28th 2020 4:32 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 12940900)
Oh come on. You know I'm just funnin.
Course I know, otherwise it would have been this :angry_smile:
:heart:

dakota44 Nov 28th 2020 4:41 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12940901)
Course I know, otherwise it would have been this :angry_smile:
:heart:
:lol: no doubt. :heart:

retzie Nov 28th 2020 5:01 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12940834)
The images on the net look like run of the mill hotdogs
No no no, not a hotdog. It's a sausage sizzle! You get a (grilled) sausage in bread with tomato sauce. Fancy people might hit the onions, but it's generally about simplicity. It's a cheap as piss way to get people into the spirit of something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage_sizzle

And mandatory showing up on voting day is not to be sneezed at. Throwing your vote away should be something you have to opt into, not the default.

Steerpike Nov 29th 2020 5:39 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12940807)
In New York, there’s yet an additional complexity - eight different political parties. So, for instance, if I’d wanted to vote for Elise Stefanik for US Congress, I could have voted for her under the Republican, Conservative, or Independence Party lines. These three have to be tabulated separately, as the location on the ballot in the next election is dependent on how well each party performed in this election. Same for the Democratic vs. Working Families parties.

So a heck of a lot more complex than a UK general election, in which the votes can be quickly sorted into 3 or 4 piles, then each pile counted.
I don't follow that at all! Elise Stefanik is described as a 'Republican', so what is the relevance of (eg) 'Conservative' (or 'Independence Party') in this context? Is this something unique to NY? This is what the Senate and House sections of my ballot (AZ) looked like:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...20a2ce918b.png

Steerpike Nov 29th 2020 5:48 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by retzie (Post 12940906)
No no no, not a hotdog. It's a sausage sizzle! You get a (grilled) sausage in bread with tomato sauce. Fancy people might hit the onions, but it's generally about simplicity. It's a cheap as piss way to get people into the spirit of something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage_sizzle

And mandatory showing up on voting day is not to be sneezed at. Throwing your vote away should be something you have to opt into, not the default.
Just out of curiosity, how do they handle people who can't (easily) make it to a polling place (disabled, elderly, etc)?

rpjs Nov 30th 2020 5:22 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12941160)
I don't follow that at all! Elise Stefanik is described as a 'Republican', so what is the relevance of (eg) 'Conservative' (or 'Independence Party') in this context? Is this something unique to NY? This is what the Senate and House sections of my ballot (AZ) looked like:
It's a thing called "electoral fusion". It was created in NYS to break the power of the old-school political machines like Tammany Hall. In a nutshell, any candidate for office in NYS can be cross-nominated by as many political parties that have qualified to appear on the ballot as care to. The actual election is decided by the total number of votes for each individual, but the total number of votes cast for each party decides whether or not they appear on the ballot next election, and where (i.e. how high up the ballot paper).

Typically the left-wing Working Families Party cross nominate the Democratic candidates and the right-wing Independence and Conservative Parties cross-nominate the Republican candidates. But these smaller parties can and sometimes do nominate their own people for some races, and don't necessarily map directly to the mainstream party that you'd expect. For instance, a very conservative Democrat might not get cross-nominated by Working Families, and might even get cross-nominated by the Conservatives. It's a useful way for those knowledgeable about the system to know where candidates are located on the political spectrum.

This year we both voted for Biden/Harris and most of the down-ballot Democrats on the Working Families Party line, to ensure the WFP stays on the ballot (Governor Cuomo has been trying to get them off the ballot as they refused to cross-nominate him a couple of gubernatorial elections ago. Last time, he even managed to spin up an astro-turfed "Women's Equality Party" to undermine the WFP.)

caretaker Nov 30th 2020 10:23 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
"Arizona and Wisconsin are the last contested battleground states to make their presidential election results official."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alflow-organic

kimilseung Nov 30th 2020 10:32 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12941542)
"Arizona and Wisconsin are the last contested battleground states to make their presidential election results official."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alflow-organic
Which makes this Arizona "hearing" (“unsanctioned unofficial circus sideshow") that is ongoing now, all the more entertaining.
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1djxXqjdlWvKZ

caretaker Nov 30th 2020 10:59 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 12941546)
Which makes this Arizona "hearing" (“unsanctioned unofficial circus sideshow") that is ongoing now, all the more entertaining.
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1djxXqjdlWvKZ
Whoot! The comments spinning up the side are priceless!

Giantaxe Nov 30th 2020 11:03 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12941553)
Whoot! The comments spinning up the side are priceless!
Lack of masks is priceless too...

Haha and now the clown prince is calling in. Priceless!

kimilseung Nov 30th 2020 11:08 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12941555)
Lack of masks is priceless too...

Haha and now the clown prince is calling in. Priceless!
"...strong lawyers, with great facts..."

yellowroom Nov 30th 2020 11:54 am
Re: 2020 Election
 

robin1234 Nov 30th 2020 2:00 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12941160)
I don't follow that at all! Elise Stefanik is described as a 'Republican', so what is the relevance of (eg) 'Conservative' (or 'Independence Party') in this context? Is this something unique to NY? This is what the Senate and House sections of my ballot (AZ) looked like:
Originally Posted by rpjs (Post 12941423)
It's a thing called "electoral fusion". It was created in NYS to break the power of the old-school political machines like Tammany Hall. In a nutshell, any candidate for office in NYS can be cross-nominated by as many political parties that have qualified to appear on the ballot as care to. The actual election is decided by the total number of votes for each individual, but the total number of votes cast for each party decides whether or not they appear on the ballot next election, and where (i.e. how high up the ballot paper).

Typically the left-wing Working Families Party cross nominate the Democratic candidates and the right-wing Independence and Conservative Parties cross-nominate the Republican candidates. But these smaller parties can and sometimes do nominate their own people for some races, and don't necessarily map directly to the mainstream party that you'd expect. For instance, a very conservative Democrat might not get cross-nominated by Working Families, and might even get cross-nominated by the Conservatives. It's a useful way for those knowledgeable about the system to know where candidates are located on the political spectrum.

This year we both voted for Biden/Harris and most of the down-ballot Democrats on the Working Families Party line, to ensure the WFP stays on the ballot (Governor Cuomo has been trying to get them off the ballot as they refused to cross-nominate him a couple of gubernatorial elections ago. Last time, he even managed to spin up an astro-turfed "Women's Equality Party" to undermine the WFP.)
I’ve never voted the Democratic Party party line. I’ve always voted WFP for the main candidates (President, Governor, US Representative etc ..) But various state and local offices I always pick and choose according to local information or people I know personally or whatever.

I don’t think it’s quite true that the WFP is always left of the Dems. Here, I’ve seen Republican candidates for local office endorsed by the WFP on occasion.

moneypenny20 Nov 30th 2020 2:13 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by yellowroom (Post 12941570)
It's a wonder Trump hasn't picked up more votes with witnesses like that helping him.....


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