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scrubbedexpat091 Jun 30th 2020 5:03 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 
Bad sign if old school republicans are losing to younger apparently more extremest younger republicans?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/polit...ado/index.html

morpeth Jun 30th 2020 6:33 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by UkWinds5353 (Post 12871850)
I believe reasonable sentiment would agree with your statement. Abrams has the ability to be VP, but for Biden considering his age many voters would want a national player that can take over as President on day one. That has to give Harris additional momentum.

what experience do abrams or harris have that even remotely qualify either to be president ? executive experience ? military experience ? foreign experience ? relevant academic credentials ?

civilservant Jun 30th 2020 11:50 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 
Harris is a Senator and was AG of California. She's also on the Senate Homeland Security Committee. That is all certainly relevant experience.

I agree with you about Abrams.


Bad sign if old school republicans are losing to younger apparently more extremest younger republicans?
The Rs are more right wing (or Trumpy if you like) then they were before. It's just the rights version of what happened with AOC and is happening elsewhere too. We're all moving to the extremes it seems.

Leslie Jul 1st 2020 2:06 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12874524)
what experience do abrams or harris have that even remotely qualify either to be president ? executive experience ? military experience ? foreign experience ? relevant academic credentials ?

I don't remember you asking that about Trump. I do remember that you did spend a lot of time defending his right not to release his tax returns though. How's that all working out?

Giantaxe Jul 3rd 2020 8:23 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
"I'm concerned about voter registration in Mississippi," the commissioner wrote. "The blacks are having lots (of) events for voter registration. People in Mississippi have to get involved, too."

This person is an election commissioner.


https://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/...ts/3280055001/

kimilseung Jul 3rd 2020 8:45 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12876139)
"I'm concerned about voter registration in Mississippi," the commissioner wrote. "The blacks are having lots (of) events for voter registration. People in Mississippi have to get involved, too."

This person is an election commissioner.


https://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/...ts/3280055001/

"A social media comment with racial undertones "
Undertones?

moneypenny20 Jul 3rd 2020 12:47 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12876139)
"I'm concerned about voter registration in Mississippi," the commissioner wrote. "The blacks are having lots (of) events for voter registration. People in Mississippi have to get involved, too."

This person is an election commissioner.


https://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/...ts/3280055001/

Good to know that in 2020 Blacks are still not considered people. How are they allowed to vote? Can cats vote as well?

UkWinds5353 Jul 3rd 2020 5:42 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12874524)
what experience do abrams or harris have that even remotely qualify either to be president ? executive experience ? military experience ? foreign experience ? relevant academic credentials ?

You're asking the wrong question.
The question you should be asking is why did America narrowly decide to elect an obvious incompetent individual for President in 2016. Trump had never held any governmental office including basic responsibilities like city councilman. Why would anyone support such a person knowing full well that they brought nothing of worth to the table.

Anyone from my list of potential VP candidates is far and away more qualified than Trump could ever be. Thankfully our national nightmare will end in about 4 months. And hopefully those that voted for Trump in 2016 will have learned a productive lesson from that more than questionable decision.

Nearly four years laters even the once motivation of Trump maybe knowing something about good business has become obviously incorrect. The man has gone bankrupt 4 TIMES and that should tell everyone anything they should need to know! It definitely explains why he still believes a dangerous pandemic would not threaten hundreds of thousands of lives and rob us of trillions of dollars.

carcajou Jul 3rd 2020 6:50 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 
Fundamentally, Trump's COVID-19 response did him in. Prior to that, he was (at best) only 50-50 to win.

He is now counting on progressive activists behaving like turkeys and going over-the-top, to ignite a backlash and save him. I called this earlier the Nixon '68 strategy. They will surely behave like turkeys and go over-the-top, but Trump needs them to become the face of the Biden Campaign. Through 40+ years of Beltway Service, Joe Biden has never been associated with progressive activism and it is unlikely to happen now, unless he makes a moonbat VP pick.

VP picks tell you a lot about where the campaigns think they are. McCain's pick of Palin in 2008 was correct strategy but poor implementation. He and his campaign correctly diagnosed they were on a losing trajectory and needed to dramatically shake things up to get back in it, but they picked the wrong person to do that. Trump knows he has enormous problems with the Christian Right and so had to pick Pence (and then gave Rush Limbaugh a medal at the outset of this campaign). Etc etc etc. Biden, being so far ahead, has no need to shake up the race and will probably go with a moderate, maybe a minority or a woman who is a moderate.

If he thinks activists need to be accommodated rather than ostracised and reflects that instead with the VP pick, look out. Progressive activists always turn on each other in bloody purity tests, as the current highly amusing stoush between activist corporations and Facebook is showing. Mark Zuckerberg must be totally bewildered that he of all people is now being cast as a right-wing zealot. Remember a few years ago when he was trial ballooning running for President as a social justice warrior, and went to that African-American church in South Carolina?


andyrebell Jul 3rd 2020 10:33 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12876270)
Fundamentally, Trump's COVID-19 response did him in. Prior to that, he was (at best) only 50-50 to win.

He is now counting on progressive activists behaving like turkeys and going over-the-top, to ignite a backlash and save him. I called this earlier the Nixon '68 strategy. They will surely behave like turkeys and go over-the-top, but Trump needs them to become the face of the Biden Campaign. Through 40+ years of Beltway Service, Joe Biden has never been associated with progressive activism and it is unlikely to happen now, unless he makes a moonbat VP pick.

VP picks tell you a lot about where the campaigns think they are. McCain's pick of Palin in 2008 was correct strategy but poor implementation. He and his campaign correctly diagnosed they were on a losing trajectory and needed to dramatically shake things up to get back in it, but they picked the wrong person to do that. Trump knows he has enormous problems with the Christian Right and so had to pick Pence (and then gave Rush Limbaugh a medal at the outset of this campaign). Etc etc etc. Biden, being so far ahead, has no need to shake up the race and will probably go with a moderate, maybe a minority or a woman who is a moderate.

If he thinks activists need to be accommodated rather than ostracised and reflects that instead with the VP pick, look out. Progressive activists always turn on each other in bloody purity tests, as the current highly amusing stoush between activist corporations and Facebook is showing. Mark Zuckerberg must be totally bewildered that he of all people is now being cast as a right-wing zealot. Remember a few years ago when he was trial ballooning running for President as a social justice warrior, and went to that African-American church in South Carolina?

He can't put back enough people into work and the virus is out of control now. The response on the murder of George Floyd has cost him his second term. Instead of embracing the black lives matter he branded it terrorist. He won't get any black votes now and without them he can't win.

You say Biden will get a minority woman as running mate you are probably right personally I think the Mayor of Atlanta though again what a ticket Michelle Obama would have been right now but she is not interested and I don't think Biden can convince her otherwise. Also worth considering the health, age and possible dementia of Biden that the minority running mate might likely end up as president.

Perhaps the only way Trump can win is to fire Mike Pence if he can do that and go with a certain rapper perhaps on a platform of what Trump stands for now for his base as it is plus stop snitchin america, defund police and witsec and push more scholarships and affirmative action?. And that rapper on the campaign trail speaking his way. That might get Trump a good number of black votes. And consider the health issue surrounding trump that are rumoured that rapper may also get to president this time. He has no chance in 2024. We know who I am talking about don't we but I am not going to name him.

But since that won't happen he has no chance.

zzrmark Jul 4th 2020 12:22 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by andyrebell (Post 12876346)

Perhaps the only way Trump can win is to fire Mike Pence if he can do that and go with a certain rapper perhaps on a platform of what Trump stands for now for his base as it is plus stop snitchin america, defund police and witsec and push more scholarships and affirmative action?. And that rapper on the campaign trail speaking his way. That might get Trump a good number of black votes. And consider the health issue surrounding trump that are rumoured that rapper may also get to president this time. He has no chance in 2024. We know who I am talking about don't we but I am not going to name him.

But since that won't happen he has no chance.


Especially as his base are probably not smoking the quantities of waccy that you must be to come up with that strategy.

andyrebell Jul 4th 2020 12:57 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by zzrmark (Post 12876380)
Especially as his base are probably not smoking the quantities of waccy that you must be to come up with that strategy.

As maybe but unless he can get a reasonable quantity of the black vote/so called black lives matter movement, Joe Biden will be using the line from Lethal Weapon in November. Trump has put himself on this path. How is he supposed to get the black votes/black lives matter when he saying it is great day for George Floyd and he would be so proud or whatever Trump said. And the man is dead. And his calling his own people terrorists and traitors for exercising the right as citizens and putting the army on them so he can stand outside a church for a picture.

His handling of the coronavirus is bad enough. The job situation another problem. But he can't defeat the power of the black lives matter movement. And there isn't enough of the what? White power redneck KKK? to call it that movement to put him back in office without the supporters he has lost and he has lost some. That well known rapper can get Trump some of that support back I think. What is pence going to do? Hold his coat for him?

Trump should stand down and save himself the shame of a heavy defeat. He has surely lost.

carcajou Jul 4th 2020 1:02 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by andyrebell (Post 12876391)
Unless he can get a reasonable quantity of the black vote/so called black lives matter movement, Joe Biden will be using the line from Lethal Weapon in November. Trump has put himself on this path. His handling of the coronavirus is bad enough. The job situation another problem. But he can't defeat the power of the black lives matter movement. And there isn't enough of the what? White power redneck KKK? to call it that movement to put him back in office without the supporters he has lost and he has lost some. That well known rapper can get Trump some of that support back I think. What is pence going to do? Hold his coat for him?

Trump should stand down and save himself the shame of a heavy defeat. He has surely lost.

You do not understand the American electoral context or the country's historical voting patterns.

andyrebell Jul 4th 2020 1:19 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12876395)
You do not understand the American electoral context or the country's historical voting patterns.

Perhaps not but I think he has not got a cat in hell's chance as they say. Without the corona and the recession and the murder of George Floyd he would probably have destroyed Biden. I can imagine Trump saying Joe it is Saturday July 4th today just so you know and all Trump supporters chanting what day is it what day is it at his rallies. It would have been hard to watch but it won't happen now. Biden will win easy even though he doesn't know day of the week it is.

And it has always been 2 terms since the first George Bush and it was the taxes that done him in to my memory. Read my lips no more taxes. I remember that line.

Steerpike Jul 4th 2020 12:00 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12876270)
Fundamentally, Trump's COVID-19 response did him in. Prior to that, he was (at best) only 50-50 to win.

He is now counting on progressive activists behaving like turkeys and going over-the-top, to ignite a backlash and save him. I called this earlier the Nixon '68 strategy. They will surely behave like turkeys and go over-the-top, but Trump needs them to become the face of the Biden Campaign. Through 40+ years of Beltway Service, Joe Biden has never been associated with progressive activism and it is unlikely to happen now, unless he makes a moonbat VP pick.

VP picks tell you a lot about where the campaigns think they are. McCain's pick of Palin in 2008 was correct strategy but poor implementation. He and his campaign correctly diagnosed they were on a losing trajectory and needed to dramatically shake things up to get back in it, but they picked the wrong person to do that. Trump knows he has enormous problems with the Christian Right and so had to pick Pence (and then gave Rush Limbaugh a medal at the outset of this campaign). Etc etc etc. Biden, being so far ahead, has no need to shake up the race and will probably go with a moderate, maybe a minority or a woman who is a moderate.

If he thinks activists need to be accommodated rather than ostracised and reflects that instead with the VP pick, look out. Progressive activists always turn on each other in bloody purity tests, as the current highly amusing stoush between activist corporations and Facebook is showing. Mark Zuckerberg must be totally bewildered that he of all people is now being cast as a right-wing zealot. Remember a few years ago when he was trial ballooning running for President as a social justice warrior, and went to that African-American church in South Carolina?

I refuse to relax about Trump until after the election, but I am feeling ever-so-slightly optimistic at last. Biden has put in a few 'average' showings of late, and that's all he has to do - have a pulse, don't die, don't say anything stupid. He needs to pick a moderate VP candidate to hep win independents. He needs to toe the line on 'Defund the Police' because no one in their right minds really wants to do that.

Another cause for optimism I saw recently was a projection map for Covid-19 deaths by October 2020. It's a horrible way to interpret the Covid-19 situation, but - looking at this map, it shows the highest death rate in October is predicted to be Florida, with Texas close behind. I can only imagine the residents of Florida won't be in a good mood about Trump if their fellow residents are dropping like flies due to the coronavirus, after Trump has downplayed the virus all along.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...4090508c31.png

For this chart, you have to go to this page - https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...merica/florida then scroll down to the second chart titled 'Daily Deaths', then on this second chart, click the 'map' tab, and then slide the 'date' slider at the bottom from 'today' over to 'Oct 1'. You will see how the picture of the US changes over time, and it's not a nice picture if you are a Republican - Texas and Florida are projected to be really bad at that time. So that ought to help flip Florida to the democrats. Note how CA and NY are virtually clear by that time. So the 'blue states' will be well past their peaks in terms of C-19 deaths, but the 'red states' will be spiking at that time. Of course, things could change now that Florida and Texas seem to be getting their acts together a bit when it comes to C-19, but even that is in defiance of Trump's message, so still not good.


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