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Leslie Mar 28th 2020 1:10 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12828417)

A sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden has ignited a firestorm of controversy

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/211959...ult-allegation

A woman says Biden assaulted her in 1993. Now #TimesUpBiden is trending.

Makes a lot of sense for Bernie to stay in, could well be last man standing.

Do you believe her? Or is she just another ugly lying whore like all of the Trump accusers?

I love the way that all of the women who accuse Democrats are sacrosanct but the Trump accusers deserve to have their lives ruined and receive death threats. So awesome.

scrubbedexpat099 Mar 28th 2020 2:05 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12828543)
Do you believe her? Or is she just another ugly lying whore like all of the Trump accusers?

I love the way that all of the women who accuse Democrats are sacrosanct but the Trump accusers deserve to have their lives ruined and receive death threats. So awesome.

Personally I like to see some evidence, however it seems many do not require that.

civilservant Mar 28th 2020 2:41 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12828443)
(CNN)President Donald Trump's approval now averages higher than his approval rating has been at any point in CNN's polling during his presidency, as 47% approve and 48% disapprove rating of his handling of the presidency, according to CNN's Poll of Polls.

He's actually significantly underwater from where he should be. Consider Bush's approval rating after 9/11, it hit something like 90%.

scrubbedexpat099 Mar 29th 2020 3:43 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 
Update from the Graun.

Donald Trump in 'near tie' with Joe Biden, new poll finds

Washington Post-ABC News poll puts former vice-president ahead by 49% to 47% among registered voters
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-poll-results



civilservant Mar 30th 2020 12:49 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
What Joe Biden does now means nothing for November. What Trump does now means everything for November.

No one is expecting accurate poll results when asking from a place of fear and uncertainty. At least they shouldn't be. People will always cling to the 'known' (including this disaster of a POTUS) when everything around them is fluid.

HDWill Apr 4th 2020 5:49 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
One possibility I just though of: the virus ebbs and flows over the next six months. People in dense urban areas remain more fearful about going out in public than people in rural areas. Voter turnout in cities and larger towns is especially depressed. Thus Trump wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida by even bigger margins than in 2016, and adds Minnesota and maybe Colorado.

SpoogleDrummer Apr 4th 2020 5:50 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by HDWill (Post 12833043)
One possibility I just though of: the virus ebbs and flows over the next six months. People in dense urban areas remain more fearful about going out in public than people in rural areas. Voter turnout in cities and larger towns is especially depressed. Thus Trump wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida by even bigger margins than in 2016, and adds Minnesota and maybe Colorado.

Or it wipes out all the old buggers that voted for him in the first place.

nain rouge Apr 4th 2020 12:02 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by SpoogleDrummer (Post 12833044)
Or it wipes out all the old buggers that voted for him in the first place.


I know several very conservative evangelical christians who think that Donald is an absolute buffoon and are disgusted by him. I believe that his voter support actually will decline in 2020 from 2016. The only open question is how successful will Vladimir be in influencing the election in Donald's favor.

HDWill Apr 4th 2020 12:08 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by nain rouge (Post 12833215)
I know several very conservative evangelical christians who think that Donald is an absolute buffoon and are disgusted by him.

Has their opinion changed in the last year? I thought that Trump has recently been as popular as ever with evangelicals. Apart from anything else, evangelicals and conservatives in general tend to be thrilled that the Supreme Court now has a conservative majority, and like the prospect of a super-majority should Trump win a second term.

Steerpike Apr 4th 2020 12:12 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by HDWill (Post 12833043)
One possibility I just though of: the virus ebbs and flows over the next six months. People in dense urban areas remain more fearful about going out in public than people in rural areas. Voter turnout in cities and larger towns is especially depressed. Thus Trump wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida by even bigger margins than in 2016, and adds Minnesota and maybe Colorado.

This has been the subject of several recent articles; Dems are trying to enhance methods for early voting and remote voting (eg, by mail) and Republicans are opening saying it will sink them. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-157096
Trump: "“They had things — levels of voting that if you ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” he told “Fox & Friends.”"

nain rouge Apr 4th 2020 3:20 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by HDWill (Post 12833216)
Has their opinion changed in the last year? I thought that Trump has recently been as popular as ever with evangelicals. Apart from anything else, evangelicals and conservatives in general tend to be thrilled that the Supreme Court now has a conservative majority, and like the prospect of a super-majority should Trump win a second term.

Three things; first, the fundies who voted for Donald in 2016 had no conception of what an absolute incompetent creep he really is. Now, after 3 and 1/2 years, they fully know about him. It won't be a lot, but perhaps 10 percent of fundies will vote their conscience in the privacy of the voting booth, even if they tell their fellow church members they voted for Donald. Secondly, with the Supremes solidly conservative 5 to 4, there is no great court incentive for them to get a Republican president like there was in 2016. Thirdly, if the economy goes into the dump because of the virus, Donald will own it, just like he was taking credit for the great (read: Obama-created) economy that we had that he had nothing to do with.

carcajou Apr 4th 2020 8:57 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 
1. The GOP Crazies knew perfectly well how vile Trump was in 2016. The alternative was a left-wing candidate in Hillary Clinton. So of course the far right fell in behind Trump, the same way most far lefties fall in behind whomever the Democratic candidate is.

2. The Supreme Court has had a conservative majority for a generation. Trump didn't change that or "flip" the court. Obama did have a chance to change it, and punted. Say what you will about Trump and Bush but if Obama had fought anywhere near as hard for Merrick Garland as they did for Roberts, Alito and Kavanaugh, then the Supreme Court would have flipped left for the first time in decades. Obama folding so meekly on such an important issue was perhaps the greatest disappointment of his tenure.

3. Who the public blames for the virus economic collapse is still to be determined. They may decide Trump made things worse, they may decide Trump gets a pass, they may decide Biden could do better or they may decide Biden would have done worse. People won't start to form hard opinions until September or so.

robin1234 Apr 4th 2020 9:15 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by nain rouge (Post 12833249)
Three things; first, the fundies who voted for Donald in 2016 had no conception of what an absolute incompetent creep he really is. Now, after 3 and 1/2 years, they fully know about him. It won't be a lot, but perhaps 10 percent of fundies will vote their conscience in the privacy of the voting booth, even if they tell their fellow church members they voted for Donald. Secondly, with the Supremes solidly conservative 5 to 4, there is no great court incentive for them to get a Republican president like there was in 2016. Thirdly, if the economy goes into the dump because of the virus, Donald will own it, just like he was taking credit for the great (read: Obama-created) economy that we had that he had nothing to do with.

Agreed. And in the republican primaries, Trump got 86% and Bill Weld 9%. Obviously, as incumbent, Trump got an overwhelming vote, but I doubt if many of that 14% who voted for Weld or another candidate will vote for Trump on Election Day.

Ingles Apr 5th 2020 1:43 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
Just read that YET another Serving Military Officer has been "canned" by Trump
This time a Naval Officer
Is the USA`s Decline into a Trump Dictatorship speeding up ?

nain rouge Apr 5th 2020 5:41 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12833314)
1. The GOP Crazies knew perfectly well how vile Trump was in 2016. The alternative was a left-wing candidate in Hillary Clinton. So of course the far right fell in behind Trump, the same way most far lefties fall in behind whomever the Democratic candidate is.

2. The Supreme Court has had a conservative majority for a generation. Trump didn't change that or "flip" the court. Obama did have a chance to change it, and punted. Say what you will about Trump and Bush but if Obama had fought anywhere near as hard for Merrick Garland as they did for Roberts, Alito and Kavanaugh, then the Supreme Court would have flipped left for the first time in decades. Obama folding so meekly on such an important issue was perhaps the greatest disappointment of his tenure.

3. Who the public blames for the virus economic collapse is still to be determined. They may decide Trump made things worse, they may decide Trump gets a pass, they may decide Biden could do better or they may decide Biden would have done worse. People won't start to form hard opinions until September or so.


1. I dispute your assertion that the religious fundies knew how crazy Donald was in 2016. Every day, he does things more astoundingly stupid, or outrageous, As I said in the previous post, 90 percent of them will still be good little doggies and vote for him. A minority (10 percent?) of them still have a shred of morality and have had enough of him. They will either stay home, or reluctantly vote for the Democratic candidate, or perhaps one of the obscure (no chance of winning) boutique parties.

2. In 2016, the conservative majority on the Court was in danger of being overturned, and would have been if Moscow Mitch hadn't broken the law. Now, there is little danger of the Supremes going liberal.

3. For better or worse, how a large number of people vote depends on how they are doing economically. If they and their relatives have jobs, or their retirement accounts are doing well, it favors the incumbent. If the economy tanks, they associate that with the incumbent also. It's not logical, but it happens.


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