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Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 4:38 am
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Why?
Because as has been pointed out to you by someone else, your posts belie an ignorance and negativity about Mexico and Mexicans.

Originally Posted by dc koop
And on the subject of American companies employing cheap Mexican labour what does it benefit the Mexican worker? Sure he has a job but he's not enjoying anything like the standard of living his American counterpart does nor is he protected by the same safety standards or union benefits. He's being exploited in the pursuit of greed and the corrupt Mexican government does nothing to correct this. As far as they're concerned he has a job and if he's able to buy enough corn and beans to feed his family that's all that matters. Meanwhile I'm sure Mexican politicians must be raking in literally millions in bribes from US companies to not rock the boat.
Again, your bias is showing.

This is the other Mexico, the one that looks like middle-class America

In Middle of Mexico, a Middle Class Rises - The New York Times
 
Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 5:19 am
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
Because as has been pointed out to you by someone else, your posts belie an ignorance and negativity about Mexico and Mexicans.



Again, your bias is showing.

This is the other Mexico, the one that looks like middle-class America

In Middle of Mexico, a Middle Class Rises - The New York Times
Just anecdotal observation. The article states a worker in a standard factory making $3.65 an hour at the low end, which when taxes included to the company for various items, the cost to the company probably around $5.75 to $6.30 an hour. I read another article recently claiming wage inflation in China is making Mexico more competitive, and on average American workers up to 5 times more productive ( capital investment, training, etc). A temp worker in an American factory without medical ( including employer taxes) would cost the company around $9.80 per hour- factor in greater productivity of American worker, and the cost per unit under those assumptions may be less in America than in a similar factory in Mexico. However medical insurance coverage in a typical US factory for full time employee could exceed $6 an hour.

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Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 5:24 am
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Why? And on the subject of American companies employing cheap Mexican labour what does it benefit the Mexican worker? Sure he has a job but he's not enjoying anything like the standard of living his American counterpart does nor is he protected by the same safety standards or union benefits. He's being exploited in the pursuit of greed and the corrupt Mexican government does nothing to correct this. As far as they're concerned he has a job and if he's able to buy enough corn and beans to feed his family that's all that matters. Meanwhile I'm sure Mexican politicians must be raking in literally millions in bribes from US companies to not rock the boat.
Those jobs from what I understand are sought after because they pay relatively well. As always comparing to what somebody would have to pay in the US is not a factor.

Obviously the vast majority of goods in your local say Target are not made with American level wages, they would be significantly more expensive if they were.
 
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Originally Posted by morpeth
Just anecdotal observation. The article states a worker in a standard factory making $3.65 an hour at the low end, which when taxes included to the company for various items, the cost to the company probably around $5.75 to $6.30 an hour. I read another article recently claiming wage inflation in China is making Mexico more competitive, and on average American workers up to 5 times more productive ( capital investment, training, etc). A temp worker in an American factory without medical ( including employer taxes) would cost the company around $9.80 per hour- factor in greater productivity of American worker, and the cost per unit under those assumptions may be less in America than in a similar factory in Mexico. However medical insurance coverage in a typical US factory for full time employee could exceed $6 an hour.
Yes but you don't find thousands of Americans crossing the border into Mexico in hopes of a job and a better life do you?

There is still a great amount of poverty existing in Mexico and the people keep on coming. I still say if the drug cartels cannot be gotten rid of and the hordes keep coming to the border we should just invade and annex most of the country. The Mexican government will never do anything good for the populace. Corruption and bribery is the way of life at the top.

Mexicans from my experience are good workers and if you treat them right they're 100 percent loyal as well. With American know how and initiative Mexico could be brought up somewhere to the level of a reasonably prosperous country and all the stuff we buy from China manufactured in Mexico instead. The Chinese have a very large market in the rest of Asia already. It would take time and patience but all Mexicans need is a chance
 
Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 7:00 am
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Yes but you don't find thousands of Americans crossing the border into Mexico in hopes of a job and a better life do you?
So what?

Originally Posted by dc koop
There is still a great amount of poverty existing in Mexico and the people keep on coming. I still say if the drug cartels cannot be gotten rid of and the hordes keep coming to the border we should just invade and annex most of the country. The Mexican government will never do anything good for the populace. Corruption and bribery is the way of life at the top.
The drug cartels exist by virtue of the huge demand north of the border for illegal drugs.

And, yeh, good luck with your invasion plan. Have you learnt nothing from a century of US meddling in Central America?

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Mexicans from my experience are good workers and if you treat them right they're 100 percent loyal as well.
Do you realize how condescendingly paternal that sounds?
 
Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 7:05 am
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Those jobs from what I understand are sought after because they pay relatively well. As always comparing to what somebody would have to pay in the US is not a factor.

Obviously the vast majority of goods in your local say Target are not made with American level wages, they would be significantly more expensive if they were.
Yes I can imagine that auto assembly plant jobs are sought after but the openings are limited and much of the work on assembly lines is already done by robots. This isn't solving the problem of exploiting cheap labour by US companies which pay even less than what the auto companies pay.

America cannot lose it's industrial capacity. There are many things which will never be manufactured here anymore ie your Walmart and Target merchandise but the drain of US jobs involved in manufacturing other consumer goods has to stop. Are we to leave our descendants living in a post industrial wasteland ? Detroit, Pennsylvania, Ohio are the warning signs of what could well happen to the country as a whole.

Big Corporations don't care. What comes tomorrow doesn't concern CEOs and shareholders. They'll enjoy the profits today, live lives in luxury then retire and die. There's a sad lack of any sense of morality
 
Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 7:07 am
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Yes I can imagine that auto assembly plant jobs are sought after but the openings are limited and much of the work on assembly lines is already done by robots. This isn't solving the problem of exploiting cheap labour by US companies which pay even less than what the auto companies pay.
Which highlights the fact that technological change has been the cause of most job losses in the rust belt. Are you going to reverse that change?
 
Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 7:15 am
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[QUOTE=Giantaxe;12120057]So what?



The drug cartels exist by virtue of the huge demand north of the border for illegal drugs.

And, yeh, good luck with your invasion plan. Have you learnt nothing from a century of US meddling in Central America?



Do you realize how condescendingly paternal that sounds?[/QUOTE]

Only to the PC pin head brigade. There's nothing wrong in recognizing the good qualities in others except by people who suffer from some sort of sensitive induced neurosis.

If I said that Germans are highly respectful of law and order would that mean that I'm suggesting that they're gullible when it comes to Fascist ideology and therefore I'm a bigot ?

Sort yourself out
 
Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Yes I can imagine that auto assembly plant jobs are sought after but the openings are limited and much of the work on assembly lines is already done by robots. This isn't solving the problem of exploiting cheap labour by US companies which pay even less than what the auto companies pay.

America cannot lose it's industrial capacity. There are many things which will never be manufactured here anymore ie your Walmart and Target merchandise but the drain of US jobs involved in manufacturing other consumer goods has to stop. Are we to leave our descendants living in a post industrial wasteland ? Detroit, Pennsylvania, Ohio are the warning signs of what could well happen to the country as a whole.

Big Corporations don't care. What comes tomorrow doesn't concern CEOs and shareholders. They'll enjoy the profits today, live lives in luxury then retire and die. There's a sad lack of any sense of morality
None of what you posted makes much sense. If a product whatever it is costs significantly more if manufactured in the US than it does when manufactured elsewhere and shipped to the US then yes it can be subsidised for a while but not long term.

Whether is a US Company or otherwise hardly matters.

Lots of businesses have relocated, has been happening for eons, Egypt was the bread basket for the Roman Empire.

Obviously it applies to a lot more than just manufacturing.

Unless there are artificial walls things equalise eventually.
 
Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 7:18 am
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Only to the PC pin head brigade. There's nothing wrong in recognizing the good qualities in others except by people who suffer from some sort of sensitive induced neurosis.
"Blacks from my experience are good workers and if you treat them right they're 100 percent loyal as well."

How does that sound to you?
 
Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 7:20 am
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None of what you posted makes much sense. If a product whatever it is costs significantly more if manufactured in the US than it does when manufactured elsewhere and shipped to the US then yes it can be subsidised for a while but not long term.

Whether is a US Company or otherwise hardly matters.

Lots of businesses have relocated, has been happening for eons, Egypt was the bread basket for the Roman Empire.

Obviously it applies to a lot more than just manufacturing.

Unless there are artificial walls things equalise eventually.

Well then other solution is a national right to work law. We can all work for cheap wages and compete with Mexico and China
 
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Well then other solution is a national right to work law. We can all work for cheap wages and compete with Mexico and China
Or we could actually take seriously things that make the US relatively uncompetitive, like poor education and the high cost of healthcare.
 
Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
"Blacks from my experience are good workers and if you treat them right they're 100 percent loyal as well."

How does that sound to you?
Sounds fine to me. Your problem is that you suffer from cotton slave plantation induced neurosis.

You've been listening to Hillary too much. It's that kind of PC nincompoopery that lost her the election. She should have been talking about jobs instead
 
Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 7:31 am
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Sounds fine to me. Your problem is that you suffer from cotton slave plantation induced neurosis.

You've been listening to Hillary too much. It's that kind of PC nincompoopery that lost her the election. She should have been talking about jobs instead
At least you're showing your true colours. I can see RoadWarrior was right.

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Old Dec 2nd 2016 | 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
Or we could actually take seriously things that make the US relatively uncompetitive, like poor education and the high cost of healthcare.
They would help, but would take a generation or 2 to do so, and still not deal with the current cost differential.
 


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