British Expats - 2016 Election

Circular argument then. Take Ireland, for instance. It's a republic. But it's a parliamentary democracy, with structures closely modelled on the British, and not much in the way of US-like features.

Here's the Irish President ...

http://i.imgur.com/Wk7x2.jpg?fb

Dope as ****. I'd like to see El-Trumpo even try to look as cool as that.

dc koop

Nov 17th 2016 3:16 am

Re: 2016 Election

After watching Nancy Pelosi speaking earlier this morning it's obvious that it's time for her to go. She was totally ineffective as House Speaker when the Dems were in the majority, totally ineffective as Majority Leader in the Senate later on and now she looks tired and burned out. The Dems need new blood. Bernie Sanders should be part of the new leadership. The party has lost it's identity with it's traditional supporters.

RoadWarriorFromLP

Nov 17th 2016 3:18 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12107206)

To be clear, though - my main point was that we should not read too much into who won the popular vote this time around, because that was not the goal. We cannot assume, just because Clinton won the popular vote with our current setup, that she would have won the popular vote if the popular vote were to be the deciding factor.

A popular vote system would probably help Clinton and the Democrats, as it would make urban voters more relevant.

Not only would their votes carry more weight, but presidential candidates would devote more effort to shaping platforms that serve those urban voters. All of that should also bolster turnout, and higher turnout favors Democrats.

SultanOfSwing

Nov 17th 2016 3:19 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12107559)

Sanders would be a great choice for Senate Minority Leader. It'll be interesting to see if a) he wants to remain a Democrat and b) if the DNC decide not to **** him over twice in one election cycle.

zargof

Nov 17th 2016 3:21 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12107565)

Sanders would be a great choice for Senate Minority Leader. It'll be interesting to see if a) he wants to remain a Democrat and b) if the DNC decide not to **** him over twice in one election cycle.

Chuckles Schumer has already been made Minority Leader. Sanders has been given a leadership position and is the ranking Democrat on the Budget committee.

RoadWarriorFromLP

Nov 17th 2016 3:23 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12107559)

(Nancy Pelosi)was totally ineffective as House Speaker when the Dems were in the majority, totally ineffective as Majority Leader in the Senate later on...

I'm impressed. Nancy Pelosi has never been a senator, yet she somehow managed to become its majority leader while the Democrats have been the minority party in the Senate?

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12107559)

The Dems need new blood. Bernie Sanders should be part of the new leadership. The party has lost it's identity with it's traditional supporters.

You do know that Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat, right? How can he lead a party to which he does not belong? And why would anyone want him to when he couldn't even beat Hillary Clinton?

SultanOfSwing

Nov 17th 2016 3:24 am

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Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12107569)

Chuckles Schumer has already been made Minority Leader. Sanders has been given a leadership position and is the ranking Democrat on the Budget committee.

Maybe the Budget committee was what I was thinking of. Oh well, at least he's in there anyway.

dc koop

Nov 17th 2016 3:49 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 12107571)

I'm impressed. Nancy Pelosi has never been a senator, yet she somehow managed to become its majority leader while the Democrats have been the minority party in the Senate?

You do know that Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat, right? How can he lead a party to which he does not belong? And why would anyone want him to when he couldn't even beat Hillary Clinton?

Nor is Trump a Republican. Both have agendas which run along parallel lines. Trump calls it draining the swamp, Sanders shaking up the establishment including Wall street.

I don't think Sanders lost to Hillary. He was considered the candidate less likely to beat Trump and therefore in the interests of beating Trump deferred to Hillary. The Dems need people who can inspire and recruit voters. Sanders did. I wouldn't say Sanders should lead the party but he should definitely play a role in it

dc koop

Nov 17th 2016 3:53 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12107565)

Sanders would be a great choice for Senate Minority Leader. It'll be interesting to see if a) he wants to remain a Democrat and b) if the DNC decide not to **** him over twice in one election cycle.

Totally agree

RoadWarriorFromLP

Nov 17th 2016 3:56 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12107582)

I don't think Sanders lost to Hillary. He was considered the candidate less likely to beat Trump and therefore in the interests of beating Trump deferred to Hillary.

Er, Sanders was defeated in a popular vote landslide.

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12107582)

The Dems need people who can inspire and recruit voters.

Sanders came in second, so he wasn't the guy.

SultanOfSwing

Nov 17th 2016 4:02 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 12107590)

Sanders came in second, so he wasn't the guy.

Well, seemingly Clinton wasn't the right choice either, since she lost to a Cheeto with hair who thinks climate change is a hoax :blink:

dc koop

Nov 17th 2016 4:03 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 12107590)

Er, Sanders was defeated in a popular vote landslide.

Sanders came in second, so he wasn't the guy.

Neither was Hillary as we now know to our regret

dc koop

Nov 17th 2016 4:10 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12107600)

Well, seemingly Clinton wasn't the right choice either, since she lost to a Cheeto with hair who thinks climate change is a hoax :blink:

At least Sanders didn't have a trail of baggage a mile long either. He's a smart guy with years of experience as a Senator. He would I think have moderated some of his more extremist leftish views had he been chosen as the candidate to beat Trump

SultanOfSwing

Nov 17th 2016 4:14 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12107607)

I guess we'll never know now, but at the very least, as I've said before, even if he did lose in the end, it would have felt like a much cleaner battle.

Red-baiting can only get you so far. There are only so many times Trump could have said 'but he's a socialist' before it started to lose traction.

RoadWarriorFromLP

Nov 17th 2016 4:15 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12107600)

Well, seemingly Clinton wasn't the right choice either, since she lost to a Cheeto with hair who thinks climate change is a hoax :blink:

Let's remember that Clinton won more votes than your revolting snack food.

And it would be wrong to assume that Sanders would have won. As a tax-and-tax-and-tax-and-spend "socialist", he would have been beaten like Keith Moon's snare drum.

Trump offered two things to the working class that Sanders would not: (a) the xenophobia that allows them to avoid taking any responsibility for the declines in their region, and (b) a free lunch (read: no tax increases to pay for his empty promises.)

In any case, the fact that Trump received fewer votes than both Romney and Clinton while producing a record number of votes for the Libertarians would suggest that he didn't exactly impress the electorate. He didn't win; Clinton lost, and then only selectively.

I would have preferred to have Joe Biden, but he didn't want to run.

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