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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12089254)
Hardly earthshaking nor of any concern.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
(Post 12089279)
Artist's Impression Of "The Clinton Machine" | Zero Hedge
Probably the best cartoon coming out of the campaign! Although I also like the one showing an intellectually challenged young man saying "I'm voting for the candidate who got people killed, covered sexual assaults and threatened national security... because the other one said mean things." |
Re: 2016 Election
I'm not sure Donald knows how this whole democracy thing works. You don't just get it handed to you like a petulant child demanding a toy. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dc koop
(Post 12086364)
I think it was more Trump knocking himself down rather than Hillary getting credit for it. His mouth of course is his own worst enemy and the Washington Post release of his tape on the art of pussy grabbing was the nail in the coffin. Prior to that Hillary wasn't doing that well increasing her lead over Trump. The GOP have learned a very hard lesson also. I think they'll look for a young. well educated intellectually minded candidate who has appeal across the board with younger moderate white Republicans and Hispanics the latter of which will play a big role in all future elections in this country, Rubio fits the bill IMO.
Hillary will really need to shine in the next four years. Those supporters of Bernie Sanders who either willingly or reluctantly cast their lot with her will expect things to happen. Her age is against her also and her health is questionable. A mediocre four years ( if that happens) and facing a much younger opponent will be more than a challenge for her I do think demographics favor the Democrats. If Bernie is up to it, he certainly could give Clinton stronger challenge next time.I think Clinton supporters will vote for her no matter what happens , and with all the benefits she is promising she may build her base over time. |
Re: 2016 Election
So Ted Cruz..the scuziest of skuzies...now says they will block any Supreme Court nominee Clinton puts forth...for the next 4 years..and he says it is just fine to have only 8 Supremes. McCain has taken a similar approach. Some Republicans seem to think they are entitled to a monopoly on Justices. It is always Party before country for the Repubs it seems. Now some are promising to tie the congress and Clinton up in investigations for 4 years. The party has become a sewer that needs a damn good disinfecting.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
(Post 12088907)
Saudi Arabia Remains Hopeful of Clinton Victory — Rogue Money
This article contains an interesting (partial?) list of nations that have paid money to the Clinton Foundation - much/most of which has reportedly been paid over to Hillary - presumably to enable her to become President. Which is why my money is on her to win the Office. This is one ruthless female, so I'm quite sure the Saudis will be allowed to keep slaughtering Yemeni civilians. Oh well, that's the way things work, I guess... |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12089284)
Many "tea party" Republicans fed up with establishment Republicans, and this group may to some degree overlap with "Trumpists". A moderate candidate may gain more younger and Hispanic voters, but lose tea-party or Trump supporters. The establishment Republicans seem out of touch with a a lot of voters. Continuation of current economic trends in some parts of the country I predict will cause even less support for Republican moderate candidates from Tea party or Trump supporters.
The SCOTUS thing is crazy but I'm guessing the game plan is to wait until RBG passes and then they have 7 justices leaning conservative at which point hey argue everything is fine no need for two more judges. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dc koop
(Post 12087305)
One thing I have to agree with Trump on is the gigantic screw up of US and European policy in the middle east. Libya is a disaster and need I say anymore about Iraq and Syria? As Trump says in regard to Syria we are supporting rebels who we know nothing about and if assuming that one day Assad will disappear who and what form of government would replace him? We only have to look at Libya, lawless, divided and at war with itself to guess the answer to what will happen in Syria post Assad.
As for Trump I have little faith that he would have a solution and more likely to create an even worse mess but there is truth in his observations on the situation existing at present Trump on the other hand is a wild card, hard to judge really what he would or wouldn't do in foreign affairs in the Middle East. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 12089290)
I can see a number of factions forming. Looking locally here the junior Senator Jeff Flake was one of the few who stood his ground against Trump. He isn't up for re-election until 2018 but Ann Kirkpatrick who was the primary loser against McCain has vowed to stand against him. Anyway, my point being that there is a small caucus of young GOP senators who though they are inexperienced now in 8 years time might be able to hold something together. Assuming they don't sit on their hands for those 8 years.
The SCOTUS thing is crazy but I'm guessing the game plan is to wait until RBG passes and then they have 7 justices leaning conservative at which point hey argue everything is fine no need for two more judges. Even if some younger GOP Senators presented a more moderate GOP, they will lose more conservative GOP supporters than they will gain in moderate GOP and independent votes. Such a moderate faction wouldn't have much to offer in terms of vision, just the "tinker" approach of Boehner and Romney. I am curious also whether Democrats who while staying united, whether the Sanders experience will result in a Sander faction puling party more and more to the left over time. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 12089290)
I can see a number of factions forming. Looking locally here the junior Senator Jeff Flake was one of the few who stood his ground against Trump. He isn't up for re-election until 2018 but Ann Kirkpatrick who was the primary loser against McCain has vowed to stand against him. Anyway, my point being that there is a small caucus of young GOP senators who though they are inexperienced now in 8 years time might be able to hold something together. Assuming they don't sit on their hands for those 8 years.
The SCOTUS thing is crazy but I'm guessing the game plan is to wait until RBG passes and then they have 7 justices leaning conservative at which point hey argue everything is fine no need for two more judges. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 12087493)
Trump's understanding of international affairs such as the middle east is simplistic at best. At worst one could easily see him causing all sorts of trouble. The middle east has been a mess for thousands of years many people have tried to fix it, many have failed. At least Hillary has a working relationship with many of the players.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12089292)
I agree there could be a more divided Republican party in the future.
Even if some younger GOP Senators presented a more moderate GOP, they will lose more conservative GOP supporters than they will gain in moderate GOP and independent votes. Such a moderate faction wouldn't have much to offer in terms of vision, just the "tinker" approach of Boehner and Romney.
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12089293)
Give Flake credit..he is one who stated flatly to fellow Repubs...including tortoise face Mitch...that he will not be on board a move to block Supreme Court nominees.
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Re: 2016 Election
Poor Mike Pence. He has to crash his own plane to get attention from Trump.
#daddyissues |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Leslie
(Post 12089355)
Poor Mike Pence. He has to crash his own plane to get attention from Trump.
#daddyissues Why is Trump such a moron? |
Re: 2016 Election
I think Pence has sold his soul for Trump. He's basically a decent person although after all these years I still just cannot figure out why a self confessed devout Christian would be happy to pull the plug on Obama care. We've heard how expensive it's becoming but it still provides health care for a few million Americans who never had it in the first place. It stops health insurance companies from turning down people with pre-existing conditions and in a country like this why should any American whose too young to qualify for for Medicare be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition?
Why should a mother or father with a child who has early stage cancer face the possibility that the child will die because they were unable to come up with the 50 thousand or so dollars to pay for treatment? When I look at Trump and Hillary with their millions and their rat race for power I feel disgusted. I've cast my vote for Clinton only because the idea of Trump as President is too awful to think about but it's been a rotten choice and neither of them are morally qualified to take on the job of Pres. Hopefully in 2020 there'll be a better choice. Kick Hillary off the ticket and replace her with Michelle Obama ;);) I would be happy to give that lady my vote anythime |
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