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I am wondering after Clinton wins what next for Republicans. They already had the tea party side and the establishment side, now it would seem there will be a Trump faction as well. Will Trump seek to establish a separate party ?

Will there ever be a Republican President again ? The demographics appear to indicate there wont be for a Republican nominee in the future, especially if Trump remains involved in politics.

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I'm afraid Trump will be JFK'd, in short order. Whether a third party would survive his death... it's hard to tell. I would say not, off-hand.

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I can see the similarities between Trump and JFK.....

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With all the immigration there could be. Latinos aren't voting for Trump, but many are socially conservative so could vote for a moderate Republican candidate.

In fact I think a lot of people could vote for reasonable Republican. One who doesn't see guns, abortion or same-sex marriage as black and white.

Is Progressive Republican an oxymoron?

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The GOP will drop Trump like a radioactive isotope after Hillary wins. I see Marco Rubio as very much a rising star within the GOP. If Hillary has a mediocre or poor four years in the WH then Rubio will defeat her in a bid for a second term. That's my predication anyhow

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The problem Rubio (and any of this year's GOP candidates) have is that a lot of commentators are suddenly sitting up and thinking "Hillary knocked over Trump with a few baiting tweets and a couple of sex scandals, what the hell was your oppo team doing". In hindsight it was easy to break down Trump's campaign. If someone like Rubio or Cruz can't do it how will they beat Hillary.

As an aside, no they don't need to get rid of Trump (nefariously or otherwise). He is going to be knee deep in bankruptcy court, criminal Court and civil court cases.

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I think it was more Trump knocking himself down rather than Hillary getting credit for it. His mouth of course is his own worst enemy and the Washington Post release of his tape on the art of pussy grabbing was the nail in the coffin. Prior to that Hillary wasn't doing that well increasing her lead over Trump. The GOP have learned a very hard lesson also. I think they'll look for a young. well educated intellectually minded candidate who has appeal across the board with younger moderate white Republicans and Hispanics the latter of which will play a big role in all future elections in this country, Rubio fits the bill IMO.
Hillary will really need to shine in the next four years. Those supporters of Bernie Sanders who either willingly or reluctantly cast their lot with her will expect things to happen. Her age is against her also and her health is questionable. A mediocre four years ( if that happens) and facing a much younger opponent will be more than a challenge for her

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I'd put money on the GOP learning all the wrong lessons.

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Here is one lesson. #1 Clinton wins in 1992, in 1994 the Republicans take the House for the first time in 40 years.
#2 Obama and the democrats win in 2008 including the house, in 2010 the Republicans storm back with the house and a Huge number of Governors and state controls.
#3 Obama re-elected yet loses the Senate the next round while Republicans keep gains elsewhere. SOS

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The new Republican claim:

We really didn't want to win the presidency. This was our plan all along --- maintain control of the house and senate.

Riiiiiiight.

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OK, Gordon, one more time ... can you tell me how a vote for Clinton will somehow result in MORE overseas warfare? Trump has clearly stated he will 'bomb the *** out of them', kill wives and children, use torture, consider the nuclear option, etc.

But of course you won't answer; you'll just post another silly comment in a day or two.

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Why Trump was so successful in the primaries, and so unsuccessful in the general, will be a subject of much discussion in the future. He really didn't change his approach, yet everything he did/said in the former with success killed him in the latter. I can't give a good explanation. I don't think the media changed their approach to him; they pretty much gave him wall-to-wall coverage in both races.

Regarding Hillary's presidency; IF the dem's win the Senate back, then I presume she'll have a chance to get some things done (I have to confess to not fully understanding the implications of a split congress). Personally, if she can get the Supreme Court sorted out, and tweak Obamacare somehow, I'll be happy. But yes, if she doesn't have a nominally successful term, then she would be vulnerable in 2020, ASSUMING the republicans can field a decent candidate.

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Primary voters are more extreme/ less centrist than the average voter. Trump attracted the bigots in the GOP base by speaking their language -- they're praying for the day that racial slurs can be used in public again -- but most voters aren't white nationalists.

At the same time, Trump was actually not that popular with Republicans as a whole. But they're now a divided group and they could not unify behind a single candidate. If all of Trump's opponents had rallied behind the same one candidate, then Trump would have lost, but they failed to resolve their differences during the primary.

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GOP reminds me more and more of the EU.