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Steerpike Aug 7th 2015 4:31 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11718719)
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I thought Rubio spoke well, although his abortion position will lose massive numbers of votes - Roe v Wade is the gift that keeps giving to the Dems.

Bush's statements on the Iraq war may have been principled, but that will also lose support, although he is probably still the designated candidate of the money people.
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But the former (Rubio/abortion) would lose massive votes in the real election, while the latter (Bush/Iraq) will only lose votes in the primaries, right?

I was shocked to hear several candidates fall over themselves to outdo each other on abortion; Rubio especially, making a specific clarification that he would NOT support an exception for rape or the life of the mother. This is one of the real gifts of the primary process.

ETA: from the NYT article you posted ... I love this true statement: "the Fox News moderators did what only Fox News moderators could have done, because the representatives of any other network would have been accused of pro-Democratic partisanship. .... It was riveting. It was admirable. It compels me to write a cluster of words I never imagined writing: hooray for Fox News."

Giantaxe Aug 7th 2015 4:42 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11718757)
I was shocked to hear several candidates fall over themselves to outdo each other on abortion; Rubio especially, making a specific clarification that he would NOT support an exception for rape or the life of the mother. This is one of the real gifts of the primary process.

Walker made a similar comment on not supporting any exceptions.

FlaviusAetius Aug 7th 2015 5:18 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11718757)
But the former (Rubio/abortion) would lose massive votes in the real election, while the latter (Bush/Iraq) will only lose votes in the primaries, right?

I was shocked to hear several candidates fall over themselves to outdo each other on abortion; Rubio especially, making a specific clarification that he would NOT support an exception for rape or the life of the mother. This is one of the real gifts of the primary process.

ETA: from the NYT article you posted ... I love this true statement: "the Fox News moderators did what only Fox News moderators could have done, because the representatives of any other network would have been accused of pro-Democratic partisanship. .... It was riveting. It was admirable. It compels me to write a cluster of words I never imagined writing: hooray for Fox News."

Rubio: best of the bunch, but killed himself on the abortion question, according to one authority - Mrs. Aetius.

Bush - Iraq: He'll lose votes amongst Republicans. Hillary will scoop up all the votes of those who believe it was a mistake, so for him a net loser.

Abortion: I don't think Fiorina has handled that question - if someone has a link, please post it - and she would probably not fall into the trap that bags every other R except maybe Bush and Kasich (nice guy, but not a contender).

The Fox moderators certainly did themselves proud in the debate and might make some of their "Faux News" critics uncomfortable. (Would Candy-ass Crowley hit Hillary so hard?) Agreed, they didn't ask about the usual Democratic issues like Koch Bros (Would CNN ask Hillary if it isn't true she's in Soros' hip pocket? Or that Trump owns her soul, as he claimed in the debate?)

sir_eccles Aug 7th 2015 5:51 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11718793)
Abortion: I don't think Fiorina has handled that question - if someone has a link, please post it -

Google says she is against it.

Carly Fiorina on Abortion

Bustle

Giantaxe Aug 7th 2015 6:20 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11718793)
The Fox moderators certainly did themselves proud in the debate and might make some of their "Faux News" critics uncomfortable. (Would Candy-ass Crowley hit Hillary so hard?) Agreed, they didn't ask about the usual Democratic issues like Koch Bros (Would CNN ask Hillary if it isn't true she's in Soros' hip pocket? Or that Trump owns her soul, as he claimed in the debate?)

I agree they did a great job, although I think posing the "third party candidate" question to start the debate was a clear indication that Fox isn't exactly supporting Trump.

Can we expect similar even-handed thoroughness when they moderate/interview Democrats together with Republicans?

Anian Aug 7th 2015 6:45 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
I'd like to see all of the candidates answer exactly the same questions with a strongly agree to strongly disagree scale so we can more easily see where they fall, rather than relying on the question/weasel-answer format that takes forever and often doesn't actually tell you what you want to know about what they plan to do in office. I think that one reason people like Trump is because he doesn't mince his words - it may be mostly bluster but it's not the usual wishy-washy stuff we get from politicians.

Giantaxe Aug 7th 2015 6:48 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Anian (Post 11718854)
I'd like to see all of the candidates answer exactly the same questions with a strongly agree to strongly disagree scale so we can more easily see where they fall, rather than relying on the question/weasel-answer format that takes forever and often doesn't actually tell you what you want to know about what they plan to do in office. I think that one reason people like Trump is because he doesn't mince his words - it may be mostly bluster but it's not the usual wishy-washy stuff we get from politicians.

I thought Trump was hugely entertaining.

FlaviusAetius Aug 7th 2015 7:20 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11718834)
I agree they did a great job, although I think posing the "third party candidate" question to start the debate was a clear indication that Fox isn't exactly supporting Trump.

Can we expect similar even-handed thoroughness when they moderate/interview Democrats together with Republicans?

Assuming Hillary is the candidate, do you really think Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC would allow Brett or Megyn to moderate/interview her?

I agree that Trump was fun to watch. I especially enjoyed his explanation of the four bankruptcies and his claim that he owns Hillary.

Giantaxe Aug 7th 2015 7:32 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11718868)
Assuming Hillary is the candidate, do you really think Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC would allow Brett or Megyn to moderate/interview her?

Given Fox News' bias, no I don't. Just as Republican candidates aren't going to agree to MSNBC presenters moderating.


Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11718868)
I agree that Trump was fun to watch. I especially enjoyed his explanation of the four bankruptcies and his claim that he owns Hillary.

["Hillary came to my wedding therefore I own her."]

"I don't think you heard me. I think you're having a hard time tonight".

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...tion-donation/

lol. And we were left wondering what he got from Pelosi.

FlaviusAetius Aug 7th 2015 7:57 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11718878)
Given Fox News' bias, no I don't. Just as Republican candidates aren't going to agree to MSNBC presenters moderating.

Well, for sure, Megyn wouldn't ask Hillary to tell us her favorite flavour of ice cream or the topping she prefers on pizza. No softball questions for either the R or the D from Megyn. [Her voice: she sounds exactly like a Workers' Comp Judge I practiced before for many years.]

After Romney's experience the RNC would veto both Stephanopoulos and Crowley out of the box. Would like to see Amanpour on the panel. Britt Hume (ex of ABC News) would also be really good. Maybe Brian Williams to bring some honesty into the mix :sarcasm:

As for MSNBC, if they could offer an actual, honest-to-God journalist...

Giantaxe Aug 7th 2015 8:05 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11718887)
After Romney's experience the RNC would veto both Stephanopoulos and Crowley out of the box. Would like to see Amanpour on the panel. Britt Hume (ex of ABC News) would also be really good. Maybe Brian Williams to bring some honesty into the mix :sarcasm:

Romney dug his own grave with Crowley by failing to do basic research on what Obama had said post the Benghazi attack. And of course Obama adeptly gave Romney enough rope to hang himself.


Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11718887)
As for MSNBC, if they could offer an actual, honest-to-God journalist...

Maddow and Kelly as co-moderators.

FlaviusAetius Aug 7th 2015 8:07 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11718892)
Romney dug his own grave with Crowley by failing to do basic research on what Obama had said post the Benghazi attack. And of course Obama adeptly gave Romney enough rope to hang himself.



Maddow and Kelly as co-moderators.

Add Amanpour and it's a deal, Axeman.

Giantaxe Aug 7th 2015 8:15 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11718895)
Add Amanpour and it's a deal, Axeman.

Fine by me ;)

FlaviusAetius Aug 7th 2015 8:19 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11718903)
Fine by me ;)

Note: I agreed to Maddow, even though she's MSNBC. I assume that's the very heavy price of getting Megyn. The R will have to deal with it.

RoadWarriorFromLP Aug 7th 2015 8:21 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Megyn Kelly could ask the candidates whether Jesus was white.


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