Giantaxe

I think she would have shown more spine than Obama and been less naive in dealing with intransigent opponents.

MMcD

Well she can still demonstrate both those qualities - if she is eventually elected.

And she'll be doing so with something she lacked at that time:
Extensive foreign policy experience

FlaviusAetius

Interesting that one of the four pillars of Hillary's campaign is to take the big money out of politics...this is after she raises her goal of $2.5 billion (more than the combined amount spent by both sides in the 2012 campaign)...and THEN after she's flooded the country with her campaign money and won the election...she will take the big money out of politics, register millions of "undocumented" aliens as Democrats and turn this into a one-party country. Glad I'm a dual citizen - memo to self - get my wife added to the rolls as a Brit.

scrubbedexpat099

Shame we do not have a like button rather than Karma.

Steerpike

If she wins, and if she wins because of money, then the Republicans can thank themselves since they were the idiots who pushed for raising / removing limits and allowing for Super-PACs.

I really, really, really hope she wins. As Sally said, just solidify ACA, keep minimum wages up, and don't bomb Iran, and I'll be happy. Well, that, and keep religion out of the classroom (or at least no closer than it already is) and ... most important of all ... keep the utter nut-job right-wingers out of the job!

WEBlue

Yes, amen to all this!

scrubbedexpat099

Poll: Hillary 2016 | MSNBC

Vote now! Interesting to see the numbers. There are some sane people.

Jerseygirl

Nothing or no-one could persuade me to vote for her.

Anian

It's going to be a very low voter turnout. There are many Democrats who hate her, albeit less than they hate any of the Republicans likely to run.

scrubbedexpat091

I wont vote republican, and I don't think Clinton can do much to get me to vote for her, so not sure who I'll vote for. Suppose I can always use the write in spot and vote for myself.

FlaviusAetius

Most sane people don't watch MSNBC (look at their share of the news viewership)...hate to disappoint, but the poll is not terribly meaningful. Perhaps if you took a poll of TEA Party members you might be lucky to get 13% who plan to vote for Hillary - equally meaningless. The thing may come down to a dynastic race between the Bush family and the Clinton family (I certainly hope there will be fresh faces and fresh ideas on both sides of the divide).

sir_eccles

Online polls are notoriously gamed and boted to the point that some people see it as a fun sport rather than anything meaningful these days.

I read somewhere that many are saying Bush is far from a GOP favorite at this point.

Anian

My m-i-l was telling me how everyone hated Obama from a poll just after he was elected (20% like, 80% dislike) until I pointed out that those were Fox News polls. I was surprised he did that well in them! Never trust any done by the big three cable news channels.

scrubbedexpat099

MSNBC would not count.

FlaviusAetius

My point, exactly regarding the MSNBC poll - and similar polls from Fox News would be similarly suspect, unless they are simply reporting a poll from one of the majors such as Gallup or Quinnipiac. Even then, the polls will shift over the course of time. It is really important to look within the polls to see what samples were used, the size of the sample, how they were obtained, and which questions were asked. That is one reason why internal polls of the candidates are generally considered far more reliable.

As one of the very few (vanishingly few) conservatives on this site (but you don't just want those who preach to the choir do you? - Pulaski and I have a job to do), I can state that among my peers there is a genuine dislike for Jeb Bush and a sense that he would go down to defeat in a contest with Hillary.

This is primarily because my side of the aisle has a significant proportion of purists who would stay home on Election Day rather than taint themselves by voting for someone who stands for less than 100% of their values. We could call this the "Suicide Wing" of the Party. Many of us believe that both the Party and the country would have been better off if Jeb had been our candidate in 2000 rather than "W."

As it is, if the Republicans can pull this off, it will be a surprise to me. An even bigger surprise would be if we can also hold the Senate. Everyone can rest assured that even if we win the Presidency but lose the Senate, Chuckie Schumer will see to it that absolutely nothing gets done.