2016 Election
Jul 26th 2016, 2:31 pm
#8746
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Re: 2016 Election
The folks who think Clinton does not care about people or that she has never done anything...should be listening to Bills speech now.
Jul 26th 2016, 2:52 pm
#8749
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Re: 2016 Election
Debbie 2020?
She has the credentials.
She has the credentials.
Jul 26th 2016, 2:54 pm
#8750
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Jul 26th 2016, 3:15 pm
#8752
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Re: 2016 Election
Jul 26th 2016, 6:46 pm
#8753
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Re: 2016 Election
Sanders was arrested fighting for civil rights. Those people he fought for stopped him from becoming US president. That's the way it is, politics often isn't fair. Hillary Clinton will probably become president, but only because she knows how to play her cards to get elected. She's just an act. If you're a true liberal, it shows when you're young. Hillary Clinton was a supporter of Barry Goldwater, one of the most extremist right-wing republicans.
Jul 26th 2016, 7:13 pm
#8754
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Re: 2016 Election
I was flown over, put up in hotels, had lawyers do all the work, and got paid handsomely before, during, and after. It wasn't exactly 'hard work'.
"Illegals" risk getting shot/raped/whatever to cross the border, then live forever in fear of being detected/deported, all the while working shitty jobs with no rights, trying to make enough money to support family back home.
There is simply no comparison. Give them credit for the suffering they have gone through.
Jul 26th 2016, 7:26 pm
#8755
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Re: 2016 Election
I like Libertarians that are principled as they're about the only ones who will actually say we need to cut the defense budget. The problem is they tend to have some funny economic ideas, worshiping at the altar of Hayek and Rand. That plus the social Darwinism means I could never support them.
What Bernie has done is fascinating, as he's brought in a lot of passionate younger voters who will decide the direction of the country and the Democrats don't know what to do because they want them as part of the party, but expect them to sit down, shut up and vote in November. The problem is these aren't the type of people to be quiet. Most will vote for Hillary, but they won't support her. They'll keep demanding more, as an engaged populace should. The media will scoff about disarray and idiots will continue to blame Bernie for Hillary's failings, but change will come, and it will take time.
What Bernie has done is fascinating, as he's brought in a lot of passionate younger voters who will decide the direction of the country and the Democrats don't know what to do because they want them as part of the party, but expect them to sit down, shut up and vote in November. The problem is these aren't the type of people to be quiet. Most will vote for Hillary, but they won't support her. They'll keep demanding more, as an engaged populace should. The media will scoff about disarray and idiots will continue to blame Bernie for Hillary's failings, but change will come, and it will take time.
Now, having watched the Republican party for the last 30 years, I'm not sure if they will ever nominate a charismatic center-right candidate, but the fact Trump got nominated without (hardly) even pretending to be religious does suggest the party is capable of adaptation ...
Jul 27th 2016, 1:19 am
#8756
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Re: 2016 Election
Sanders was arrested fighting for civil rights. Those people he fought for stopped him from becoming US president. That's the way it is, politics often isn't fair. Hillary Clinton will probably become president, but only because she knows how to play her cards to get elected. She's just an act. If you're a true liberal, it shows when you're young. Hillary Clinton was a supporter of Barry Goldwater, one of the most extremist right-wing republicans.
Black voters are more interested in politicians who bring home the bacon. Sanders is not one of those politicians. He likes to tout ideas that will never make it through Congress.
Forgetting for a moment whether or not his ideas are sound, how exactly is he going to turn any of it into legislation? Voting for a guy who says nice things but can't get any of it done is an exercise in wishful thinking. Clinton is a more pragmatic choice.
Jul 27th 2016, 1:26 am
#8757
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Re: 2016 Election
Now, having watched the Republican party for the last 30 years, I'm not sure if they will ever nominate a charismatic center-right candidate, but the fact Trump got nominated without (hardly) even pretending to be religious does suggest the party is capable of adaptation ...
If the GOP has a spiritual center, it's in trashing minorities. The Republican party is essentially a coalition of former Dixiecrats who were OK with social programs when they were for the exclusive benefit of white people, libertarians and the business establishment. Those groups are either active bigots or else fairly indifferent about bigotry.
Trump is their faith-based candidate. In many respects, he's the best spokesman for their faith whom they have had during this Southern Strategy era. Establishment Republicans who disdain him are concerned about his positions on taxes, trade and foreign policy; only a few of them care about the racism that worries liberals.
Jul 27th 2016, 1:32 am
#8758
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Re: 2016 Election
Another perspective - if the Democrats trend left again, under the influence of Bernie and his supporters, and if the Republicans can get their act together and nominate a decent 'center right' candidate with some charisma, then the Democrats could become the party of opposition for some time.
Now, having watched the Republican party for the last 30 years, I'm not sure if they will ever nominate a charismatic center-right candidate, but the fact Trump got nominated without (hardly) even pretending to be religious does suggest the party is capable of adaptation ...
Now, having watched the Republican party for the last 30 years, I'm not sure if they will ever nominate a charismatic center-right candidate, but the fact Trump got nominated without (hardly) even pretending to be religious does suggest the party is capable of adaptation ...
Right now, the Democrats are the only party with anything like a sane platform, so there is no real choice. Two parties with differing but sensible platforms would mean they push each other to get better.
Jul 27th 2016, 2:21 am
#8759
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Re: 2016 Election
Well that would be better than what we have right now, where the Democrats are the centre right party and the Republicans are far right and don't seem to have any interest in actually governing. What you would see is a candidate with policies similar to Sanders vs. a candidate with policies similar to Clinton in the general rather than in the Democratic primary
Right now, the Democrats are the only party with anything like a sane platform, so there is no real choice. Two parties with differing but sensible platforms would mean they push each other to get better.
Right now, the Democrats are the only party with anything like a sane platform, so there is no real choice. Two parties with differing but sensible platforms would mean they push each other to get better.
What a terrible choice for the American people this November.
Jul 27th 2016, 2:28 am
#8760
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Re: 2016 Election
She is an accomplished, intelligent woman...no doubt about it and she would have done well without Bill. However I do not believe she would have been a senator, Secretary Of State or the Democratic nominee without him. He has the personality/charisma...she has the personality of a dead fish...he is very likeable...she is generally unlikeable. Bill pulled strings and called in favours to get her to this point.
