Wikiposts

2016 Election

Thread Tools
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 6:23 am
  #8341  
zargof's Avatar
I love my brick!
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 9,304
From: Peachy
zargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
I mean, if you were expecting in-depth analysis or hard-hitting commentary, of course you were going to be disappointed.
How dare you! My posts are fcking genius, and you should be grateful you get them for free.
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 6:23 am
  #8342  
SultanOfSwing's Avatar
I have a comma problem
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 49,598
From: Fox Lake, IL (from Carrickfergus NI)
SultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by zargof
How dare you! My posts are fcking genius, and you should be grateful you get them for free.
Obviously I meant apart from yours.
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 8:20 am
  #8343  
FlaviusAetius's Avatar
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,206
From: Lehigh Valley, PA USA
FlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by zargof
How dare you! My posts are fcking genius, and you should be grateful you get them for free.
Agree with the Sultan. We are deeply indebted to Zargof for so generously and freely sharing his genius with us.

Anyone care to comment on the WSJ article setting forth efforts to change the rules at the Republican convention that would allow all delegates to "vote their conscience" on the first ballot and perhaps deny Trump the nomination? Anti-Donald Trump Forces See Convention Coup as Within Reach - WSJ

The "never-Trump" people apparently believe that with the rule change only about 900 delegates would vote with Trump on the first round and thus open it up to a White Knight. Personally I think it's too late, would fuel the sense that the system is rigged, would tear the party apart and ensure Hillary's election. Maybe Mook planted the story. YMMV.
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 8:24 am
  #8344  
SultanOfSwing's Avatar
I have a comma problem
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 49,598
From: Fox Lake, IL (from Carrickfergus NI)
SultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
Agree with the Sultan. We are deeply indebted to Zargof for so generously and freely sharing his genius with us.
Joking aside, he and Leslie will be the two who post probably the most comprehensive responses in here.

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
Anyone care to comment on the WSJ article setting forth efforts to change the rules at the Republican convention that would allow all delegates to "vote their conscience" on the first ballot and perhaps deny Trump the nomination? Anti-Donald Trump Forces See Convention Coup as Within Reach - WSJ

The "never-Trump" people apparently believe that with the rule change only about 900 delegates would vote with Trump on the first round and thus open it up to a White Knight. Personally I think it's too late, would fuel the sense that the system is rigged, would tear the party apart and ensure Hillary's election. Maybe Mook planted the story. YMMV.
I am not sure, as I'm not a Republican, but surely the GOP can choose whoever they want as their candidate? If they feel that Trump is the wrong choice, are they honor-bound to go with him?

I don't feel that Trump is going to be the nominee proper anyway, myself. Either by his own action, or that of the party, we'll have someone else running under the GOP ticket.
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 8:31 am
  #8345  
sir_eccles's Avatar
Thread Starter
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 8,106
From: Phoenix, AZ
sir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
Agree with the Sultan. We are deeply indebted to Zargof for so generously and freely sharing his genius with us.

Anyone care to comment on the WSJ article setting forth efforts to change the rules at the Republican convention that would allow all delegates to "vote their conscience" on the first ballot and perhaps deny Trump the nomination? Anti-Donald Trump Forces See Convention Coup as Within Reach - WSJ

The "never-Trump" people apparently believe that with the rule change only about 900 delegates would vote with Trump on the first round and thus open it up to a White Knight. Personally I think it's too late, would fuel the sense that the system is rigged, would tear the party apart and ensure Hillary's election. Maybe Mook planted the story. YMMV.
I don't think they have enough supporters to effect such a rule change. Another softer suggestion I saw (can't remember where, don't think it was official) was that nominees should release their tax returns before the first ballot. This both forces Trump to actually release his and allows the delegates to go "woah" as they did a little too late when Romney finally released his.

I think this was where I read it http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...eturns/490271/
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 9:15 am
  #8346  
zargof's Avatar
I love my brick!
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 9,304
From: Peachy
zargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by sir_eccles
I don't think they have enough supporters to effect such a rule change. Another softer suggestion I saw (can't remember where, don't think it was official) was that nominees should release their tax returns before the first ballot. This both forces Trump to actually release his and allows the delegates to go "woah" as they did a little too late when Romney finally released his.

I think this was where I read it Can the GOP Force Donald Trump to Release His Tax Returns Before It Nominates Him? - The Atlantic
I agree, the numbers aren't there for the anti-Trump movement.

Never Trump is never happening at the RNC - POLITICO

Another question would be what would Republican voters do if they did some how replace Trump? He won the nomination fair and square. He got the required number of delegates and got the majority (not sure if it was absolute or not) of voters. How can they justify delegitimizing what the voters wishes were? And if they did would the damage to the GOP be worse than what Trump is causing?
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 10:18 am
  #8347  
FlaviusAetius's Avatar
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,206
From: Lehigh Valley, PA USA
FlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by zargof
Another question would be what would Republican voters do if they did some how replace Trump? He won the nomination fair and square. He got the required number of delegates and got the majority (not sure if it was absolute or not) of voters. How can they justify delegitimizing what the voters wishes were? And if they did would the damage to the GOP be worse than what Trump is causing?
Agree with all you say. As a Republican I'd vote for the replacement, but, changing the rules now would rip the party apart and the Donald would take a large number of his supporters with him. Either he'd run as 3rd party ("they didn't treat him fairly") or if he didn't, a large number would sit this out in protest. For our sins, either Trump kills the Party or the Party kills the Party. Incompetent Brit assassins , the establishment should have hired a Pole for the job.

The choice isn't any better on the other side, but the Ds always circle the wagons and go for the win.
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 10:28 am
  #8348  
sir_eccles's Avatar
Thread Starter
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 8,106
From: Phoenix, AZ
sir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
Agree with all you say. As a Republican I'd vote for the replacement,
No matter who the replacement was? Cruz/Palin 2016!

but, changing the rules now would rip the party apart and the Donald would take a large number of his supporters with him. Either he'd run as 3rd party ("they didn't treat him fairly")
There's always the theory that Trump just likes the winning part and doesn't actually want to be the nominee/president. Having won the nomination (yuge victory!) and seeing a landslide loss ahead backs out before getting bloodied, claiming he would have won against Hillary had he stayed in but *unexplained reason* means he can't.
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 10:33 am
  #8349  
zargof's Avatar
I love my brick!
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 9,304
From: Peachy
zargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond reputezargof has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by sir_eccles
There's always the theory that Trump just likes the winning part and doesn't actually want to be the nominee/president. Having won the nomination (yuge victory!) and seeing a landslide loss ahead backs out before getting bloodied, claiming he would have won against Hillary had he stayed in but *unexplained reason* means he can't.
The reason could be the Kochs et al. paid him a shit ton of money.
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 10:34 am
  #8350  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 13,212
From: San Francisco
Giantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by sir_eccles
There's always the theory that Trump just likes the winning part and doesn't actually want to be the nominee/president. Having won the nomination (yuge victory!) and seeing a landslide loss ahead backs out before getting bloodied, claiming he would have won against Hillary had he stayed in but *unexplained reason* means he can't.
I wouldn't be particularly surprised to see a Ross Perot style withdrawal from the race.
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 10:45 am
  #8351  
FlaviusAetius's Avatar
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,206
From: Lehigh Valley, PA USA
FlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by sir_eccles
No matter who the replacement was? Cruz/Palin 2016!

[Hey, not Cruz/Palin! There are limits.]

There's always the theory that Trump just likes the winning part and doesn't actually want to be the nominee/president. Having won the nomination (yuge victory!) and seeing a landslide loss ahead backs out before getting bloodied, claiming he would have won against Hillary had he stayed in but *unexplained reason* means he can't.
Maybe feels the need to spend more time with his family? One could only hope.
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 10:54 am
  #8352  
sir_eccles's Avatar
Thread Starter
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 8,106
From: Phoenix, AZ
sir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
Maybe feels the need to spend more time with his family? One could only hope.
Didn't he say he wanted to bone his daughter?
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 10:56 am
  #8353  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 13,212
From: San Francisco
Giantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond reputeGiantaxe has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by sir_eccles
Didn't he say he wanted to bone his daughter?
Don't Forget: Donald Trump Wants to Bang His Daughter-The Daily Show with Trevor Noah - Video Clip | Comedy Central
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 11:16 am
  #8354  
Leslie's Avatar
WTF?
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 79,866
From: Homeostasis
Leslie has a reputation beyond reputeLeslie has a reputation beyond reputeLeslie has a reputation beyond reputeLeslie has a reputation beyond reputeLeslie has a reputation beyond reputeLeslie has a reputation beyond reputeLeslie has a reputation beyond reputeLeslie has a reputation beyond reputeLeslie has a reputation beyond reputeLeslie has a reputation beyond reputeLeslie has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
What's the point? This is not a serious thread. The Trey Gowdy thing is symptomatic of what happens when just about everyone who is not left or centre-left (with the exception of Boiler) has abandoned it for the reason that we don't feel like being abused with ugly ad hominem attacks when we do post.

For a thread with interesting posts and reasoned and cogent analysis, take a look at the Brexit thread. No, sorry, don't go there. Please don't go there.
What's your problem? You seem to have come on here specifically to insult me and get me to respond to your drivel. I've tried to be nice to you and give you the benefit of the doubt but you continue to behave like a toddler. If you don't like me or my posts then just don't read them. It's not that difficult.
 
Old Jul 8th 2016 | 12:37 pm
  #8355  
FlaviusAetius's Avatar
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,206
From: Lehigh Valley, PA USA
FlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond reputeFlaviusAetius has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2016 Election

Originally Posted by Leslie
What's your problem? You seem to have come on here specifically to insult me and get me to respond to your drivel. I've tried to be nice to you and give you the benefit of the doubt but you continue to behave like a toddler. If you don't like me or my posts then just don't read them. It's not that difficult.
Leslie, Leslie, peace. I enjoy your posts at least as much as Zargof's and the Right Hon. sir_eckles', perhaps even more. I would never specifically seek to insult you and please pardon me for inadvertently offending you with my drivel.

Last edited by FlaviusAetius; Jul 8th 2016 at 12:43 pm.
 


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Your Privacy Choices

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.