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RoadWarriorFromLP Apr 19th 2016 6:22 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Clinton has a clear lead in the total popular vote, primary wins in major blue states such as Massachusetts and Illinois, and primary wins in important swing states such as Ohio, Florida and Virginia. I suppose that she'll need to win 397% of the vote in order to please some people.

What's best of all is that Republicans are hoping that Sanders will win so that they can have a red-bait campaign. There is much potential to increase Sanders' unfavorables; in contrast, they've been attacking Clinton for over two decades and don't have any tricks left for this campaign.

This commentary is worth a read: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...it-bernie.html

RoadWarriorFromLP Apr 19th 2016 6:25 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11926970)
So what? Doesn't mean there isn't anything to discuss. If it's all too tedious for you, then don't bother commenting.

So it's preferable to pretend that New York is a tight race when that claim is factually inaccurate or that Sanders is wildly popular when he has received far fewer votes?

robin1234 Apr 19th 2016 6:33 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11926944)
Bernie Sanders is in second place, and the comments made about Clinton here have been intended to attack her legitimacy. Let's not pretend that this agenda has been absent from the remarks about the New York primary (in which the polls favor Clinton by a wide margin) or about the Wyoming caucus.

If you want to prefer Sanders, then that's your right. But it's tedious to see all of this revisionism re: his alleged popularity.

I'm a Clinton supporter, if I was voting today I'd vote for her. My comment was about the interesting dynamic whereby the WFP encouraged folks, for many years past, to register WFP, now they're stumping for Sanders; but they've effectively syphoned off a large tranche of prospective Sanders voters, registered WFP (who don't vote in the Democratic primary.)

So I wasn't attempting to engage in partisan polemics, I was just musing "this is interesting, isn't it!"

MMcD Apr 19th 2016 6:41 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 11926987)
I'm a Clinton supporter, if I was voting today I'd vote for her. My comment was about the interesting dynamic whereby the WFP encouraged folks, for many years past, to register WFP, now they're stumping for Sanders; but they've effectively syphoned off a large tranche of prospective Sanders voters, registered WFP (who don't vote in the Democratic primary.)

So I wasn't attempting to engage in partisan polemics, I was just musing "this is interesting, isn't it!"

'Musing' about what's 'interesting' isn't harmonious with the compulsion inherent in:

knee+jerk and the predictable reaction it elicits (from the Warrior on the Road)

zargof Apr 19th 2016 6:43 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11926977)
So it's preferable to pretend that New York is a tight race when that claim is factually inaccurate or that Sanders is wildly popular when he has received far fewer votes?

Yet again, you miss the point. Yes, the polls show that New York is an easy win for Clinton. The point is IF independents were allowed to vote, then it would be a tighter race.

The point is that there are obviously some that view it as an interesting topic for discussion even if you don't.

As an aside, I find it interesting that is seems like every state has wildly different rules for primaries/caucuses and they all seem far more convoluted than they should be.

sir_eccles Apr 19th 2016 6:51 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

As an aside, I find it interesting that is seems like every state has wildly different rules for primaries/caucuses and they all seem far more convoluted than they should be.
States rights.

MMcD Apr 19th 2016 6:54 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11926996)
States rights.

Actually I think it's the State Democratic Party's rights (all 50 of them)....and they're like private clubs, not Gov't. entities

RoadWarriorFromLP Apr 19th 2016 7:39 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 11926987)
I'm a Clinton supporter, if I was voting today I'd vote for her. My comment was about the interesting dynamic whereby the WFP encouraged folks, for many years past, to register WFP, now they're stumping for Sanders; but they've effectively syphoned off a large tranche of prospective Sanders voters, registered WFP (who don't vote in the Democratic primary.)

So I wasn't attempting to engage in partisan polemics, I was just musing "this is interesting, isn't it!"

My comments re: the challenges to Clinton's legitimacy and the tediousness of said remarks were not in reference to you and your position.

I have noticed a pattern among some of Sanders' most diehard supporters:

-They ignore the fact that Clinton would be the leading contender for the Democratic nomination even if there were no superdelegates

-They attempt to claim that her leads are limited to red states, when she has been winning larger blue and purple states

-They ignore the fact that Sanders has been most successful in those have small populations (i.e. don't represent many people) and/or use a caucus system (i.e. the least purely democratic selection process that is available in the US primary system), which just adds to the hypocrisy of the claims of unfairness

The reality is that Clinton is the most popular candidate this time around, and by a wide margin. That doesn't make her ideal, but it does correspond to her being a legitimate nominee by her party.

MMcD Apr 19th 2016 7:47 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Here's an unintended consequence with regard to California (which votes on 7 June)....

The Democratic Primary is open to all who've registered by whenever the cut-off date is - as either Dems or independents (which the registration form labels 'No Party Preference').
However, on its back - the registration form lists a spate of specific political parties one can tick off. At the top of that list is "American Independent Party".

The LA Times just uncovered the fact that almost 1/2 million voters registered for that party - a huge proportion assuming it was synonymous with registering as an "independent" ie "No Party Preference"

Turns out:
1. Members of the party to which they signed up not only aren't allowed to vote in the Ca. Democratic Primary but.....
2. The American Independent Party is a Conservative, right-wing, Christian Party formed in the 60's to provide support to George Wallace. :eek: in his Presidential bid



zargof Apr 19th 2016 7:49 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11927030)
The reality is that Clinton is the most popular candidate this time around, and by a wide margin. That doesn't make her ideal, but it does correspond to her being a legitimate nominee by her party.

Ignoring reality is not a new phenomenon. There was Clinton's PUMAs in 2008 and the whole of the GOP in 2012 for starters.

But to the larger point supporters and campaigns will always try and spin things in a positive way.

sir_eccles Apr 19th 2016 7:53 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Someone forgot to pay the registration renewal for Trumps jet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/ny...smtyp=cur&_r=0

Spoiler:
I'm sure he could scrape together $5.

Giantaxe Apr 19th 2016 8:28 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 11927039)
The LA Times just uncovered the fact that almost 1/2 million voters registered for that party - a huge proportion assuming it was synonymous with registering as an "independent" ie "No Party Preference"

Turns out:
1. Members of the party to which they signed up not only aren't allowed to vote in the Ca. Democratic Primary but.....
2. The American Independent Party is a Conservative, right-wing, Christian Party formed in the 60's to provide support to George Wallace. :eek: in his Presidential bid



You can't legislate stupidity. I mean, what was it about the word "party" that they didn't grasp?

MMcD Apr 19th 2016 8:35 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11927045)
Someone forgot to pay the registration renewal for Trumps jet.

Maybe there's a deficient gene in the Trump DNA
Forgetting about registration seems to run in the family :lol:

RoadWarriorFromLP Apr 19th 2016 8:51 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11927070)
You can't legislate stupidity. I mean, what was it about the word "party" that they didn't grasp?

To be fair, it may be a matter of skimming rather than stupidity. Our lives are filled with paperwork, and we don't read most of it.

scrubbedexpat099 Apr 19th 2016 11:12 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11926231)
Do it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Qd...2=w624-h935-no


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