2016 Election
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Not a complete non sequitor at all. The conversation regarding the difficulty of reimposing sanctions encompasses the same difficulty should Iran be found to be in violation of the agreement.
In my view, a burgeoning of commerce with Iran will trump any question of reimposing sanctions should any violation be detected. "Snap back" will never happen. It was just a cool-sounding phrase to dampen criticism of the deal at a critical juncture. Do you actually trust the Russians, the Chinese and the French to honor their obligation to reimpose sanctions in the face of Iranian violations under any circumstances - assuming neither Cruz nor Trump trashes the deal on Day 1?
In my view, a burgeoning of commerce with Iran will trump any question of reimposing sanctions should any violation be detected. "Snap back" will never happen. It was just a cool-sounding phrase to dampen criticism of the deal at a critical juncture. Do you actually trust the Russians, the Chinese and the French to honor their obligation to reimpose sanctions in the face of Iranian violations under any circumstances - assuming neither Cruz nor Trump trashes the deal on Day 1?
On the other hand if Cruz wanted to play hardball and join Netanyahu in kicking ass then the hard line Mullahs will prevail, the moderates fade from the scene and Iranians led to believe that the US just cannot be trusted and any deal with the US isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
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Like the Jewish vote the Cuban exile vote is a sought after commodity amongst politicians so nonsense is the name of the game
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I trust they're not but even if they were what are they going to do with it? It's not an option to use it unless they have a strong desire to get themselves blown from the face of the earth in retaliation. Even Kim Il Un despite all his sabre rattling realizes that
Far more to be concerned with is the possibility of the Taliban or ISIS getting their hands on some of Pakistan's nukes. In that case all options are open
Far more to be concerned with is the possibility of the Taliban or ISIS getting their hands on some of Pakistan's nukes. In that case all options are open
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#6289
The terrible events in Brussels today will, I believe, have major repercussions in this country - mostly benefiting Trump. It might be interesting to adjust the focus of the thread to how the candidates will be addressing what may be a clear and present danger for us. Paris and Brussels may well have a major influence on the result of the Brexit vote, as well.
I think part of what is fueling both Sanders and Trump is the sense of disconnect between the powers that be in both parties and the Great Unwashed. It's the same in Europe, where the Alternative for Germany party (AfD) is likely to become a major right of centre player. Der Spiegel has an interesting article, and here is the conclusion, that could apply as well to voters in this country:
I think part of what is fueling both Sanders and Trump is the sense of disconnect between the powers that be in both parties and the Great Unwashed. It's the same in Europe, where the Alternative for Germany party (AfD) is likely to become a major right of centre player. Der Spiegel has an interesting article, and here is the conclusion, that could apply as well to voters in this country:
"The fight against the elites is the core of the AfD message, an approach that relies more on emotion than on a particular view of the world. In a poll conducted by TNS Forschung on behalf of SPIEGEL, 88 percent of AfD supporters agreed with the following statement: "The political powers-that-be do what they want, regardless. My opinion doesn't count." Among supporters of other parties, agreement with the statement was far lower."
Success of AfD Populists Akin to Revolt against Merkel - SPIEGEL ONLINE
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Who is already approaching it with a lot of hot air and not much in the way of solid ideas -- other than dragging out waterboarding yet again.
http://trump-started-exploit-brussels-attack-article-1.2572938
#6291
The main aim of Isis is to forment anti Muslim sentiment in Europe and elsewhere. Flood the EU with refugees. Attack soft targets. Sit back and wait for the hate filled rhetoric to flow. Trump and Cruz have already obliged.
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Who is already approaching it with a lot of hot air and not much in the way of solid ideas -- other than dragging out waterboarding yet again.
http://trump-started-exploit-brussels-attack-article-1.2572938
http://trump-started-exploit-brussels-attack-article-1.2572938
Are there any other ideas out there besides: we shouldn't use any forms of enhanced interrogation, no matter whether or not lives might otherwise saved?
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How silly of me.
#6294
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Did hear Obama this morning who as anticipated failed to address the issue which just gives Trump an opening.
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US report on 'enhanced interrogation' concludes: torture doesn't work | US news | The Guardian
#6296
It isn't "enhanced interrogation", it is torture. Furthermore it has been shown time and again that torture does not yield reliable results.
US report on 'enhanced interrogation' concludes: torture doesn't work | US news | The Guardian
US report on 'enhanced interrogation' concludes: torture doesn't work | US news | The Guardian
#6297
This thread is as useless as tits on a boar. I suggest we do some real thinking about how to address what has happened in Brussels and Paris and some idiot starts the usual one-line sniping at Trump and that gets followed up with a chorus of "yes!" "yes!." This thread is an absolute dead end.
How about this (I can't take credit):
"The war on drugs just produced more drugs, the war on terrorism just produced more terrorists. How about a war on farmers markets!"
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Meanwhile, back from Flavius-la-la land, it's election day in several states. Arizona will presumably go to Trump in a landslide, but I can't find any polling data for either of the races there. It will be interesting to see how well Sanders does there as he really needs a win. Apparently he's miles ahead in Utah and Idaho, but neither of those garner many delegates.
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The Graunidad is amusing but hardly a reliable impartial source.
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How about the Senate's report that the Guardian article is about?
"CIA detainees subjected to what were then called “enhanced interrogation techniques†either produced no intelligence, or they “fabricated information, resulting in faulty intelligenceâ€."
"CIA detainees subjected to what were then called “enhanced interrogation techniques†either produced no intelligence, or they “fabricated information, resulting in faulty intelligenceâ€."



