2016 Election
#2881
[Thus the sense developed (not held by me) that he is not a legitimate "natural born" American qualified to be President and further that he was a KGB plant; and that they or the Saudis paid for his college and paved his way into politics. That is the urban legend that has attached to our current Maximum Leader.]
Cruz made his actual birth certificate available (not an easily altered photocopy) and renounced his Canadian citizenship. So, since being called a "birther" is similar to being called a racist, Republicans are simply applying the Obama Rule to Cruz. Democrats should honor the Obama Rule when it comes to Cruz or potentially face a backlash from Hispanics.
#2882
McCain unsure whether Cruz is eligible for presidency
Obama's legal fees - Obama Conspiracy Theories
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#2883
Perhaps the main difference is that, unlike Cruz, Obama spent five years and a couple of million dollars hiding his birth certificate, as well as every other marker of his existence in colleges and at Harvard, plus the media failed or refused to vet him at all.
[Thus the sense developed (not held by me) that he is not a legitimate "natural born" American qualified to be President and further that he was a KGB plant; and that they or the Saudis paid for his college and paved his way into politics. That is the urban legend that has attached to our current Maximum Leader.]
Cruz made his actual birth certificate available (not an easily altered photocopy) and renounced his Canadian citizenship. So, since being called a "birther" is similar to being called a racist, Republicans are simply applying the Obama Rule to Cruz. Democrats should honor the Obama Rule when it comes to Cruz or potentially face a backlash from Hispanics.
[Thus the sense developed (not held by me) that he is not a legitimate "natural born" American qualified to be President and further that he was a KGB plant; and that they or the Saudis paid for his college and paved his way into politics. That is the urban legend that has attached to our current Maximum Leader.]
Cruz made his actual birth certificate available (not an easily altered photocopy) and renounced his Canadian citizenship. So, since being called a "birther" is similar to being called a racist, Republicans are simply applying the Obama Rule to Cruz. Democrats should honor the Obama Rule when it comes to Cruz or potentially face a backlash from Hispanics.
#2884
Perhaps the main difference is that, unlike Cruz, Obama spent five years and a couple of million dollars hiding his birth certificate, as well as every other marker of his existence in colleges and at Harvard, plus the media failed or refused to vet him at all.
[Thus the sense developed (not held by me) that he is not a legitimate "natural born" American qualified to be President and further that he was a KGB plant; and that they or the Saudis paid for his college and paved his way into politics. That is the urban legend that has attached to our current Maximum Leader.]
Cruz made his actual birth certificate available (not an easily altered photocopy) and renounced his Canadian citizenship. So, since being called a "birther" is similar to being called a racist, Republicans are simply applying the Obama Rule to Cruz. Democrats should honor the Obama Rule when it comes to Cruz or potentially face a backlash from Hispanics.
[Thus the sense developed (not held by me) that he is not a legitimate "natural born" American qualified to be President and further that he was a KGB plant; and that they or the Saudis paid for his college and paved his way into politics. That is the urban legend that has attached to our current Maximum Leader.]
Cruz made his actual birth certificate available (not an easily altered photocopy) and renounced his Canadian citizenship. So, since being called a "birther" is similar to being called a racist, Republicans are simply applying the Obama Rule to Cruz. Democrats should honor the Obama Rule when it comes to Cruz or potentially face a backlash from Hispanics.
I don't even know why I'm asking this, but I don't suppose you have any evidence that Obama spent millions of dollars trying to hide is birth certificate/transcripts/kindergarten photos.
As for the racist aspect, a lot of that comes from the fact that no one was questioning the legitimacy about the (white) All American American war hero John McCain who just happened to be born in Panama.
#2885
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Why should he have? He released his short-form birth certificate in '07 and the State of Hawaii confirmed that he was born there. End of story, except for the crazies.
#2886
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Trump (sort of) has a point. Cruz's US citizenship is not a right per the 14th amendment, but is the byproduct of federal law. That would mean that he is naturalized, which would indicate that he is not a natural born citizen.
But Congress has defined "natural born" in the past, and it included the foreign born in its definition. It could do so again.
I can't see many Democrats objecting to the idea or the current president vetoing it, so a simple piece of legislation could fix this once and for all. Of course, the Teahadists would be shameless hypocrites to approve of such a thing, but when has consistency ever stopped them?
But Congress has defined "natural born" in the past, and it included the foreign born in its definition. It could do so again.
I can't see many Democrats objecting to the idea or the current president vetoing it, so a simple piece of legislation could fix this once and for all. Of course, the Teahadists would be shameless hypocrites to approve of such a thing, but when has consistency ever stopped them?
#2887
Trump (sort of) has a point. Cruz's US citizenship is not a right per the 14th amendment, but is the byproduct of federal law. That would mean that he is naturalized, which would indicate that he is not a natural born citizen.
But Congress has defined "natural born" in the past, and it included the foreign born in its definition. It could do so again.
I can't see many Democrats objecting to the idea or the current president vetoing it, so a simple piece of legislation could fix this once and for all. Of course, the Teahadists would be shameless hypocrites to approve of such a thing, but when has consistency ever stopped them?
But Congress has defined "natural born" in the past, and it included the foreign born in its definition. It could do so again.
I can't see many Democrats objecting to the idea or the current president vetoing it, so a simple piece of legislation could fix this once and for all. Of course, the Teahadists would be shameless hypocrites to approve of such a thing, but when has consistency ever stopped them?
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#2888
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Frankly, I think that Obama should have told them to pound sand. Responses to right-wing tantrums should be left to their mothers.
#2889
Just checked and apparently renowned constitutional law expert Oily Taint doesn't think Cruz is eligible to be President, so I guess he's SOL.
Ted Cruz Inherits 'Birthers' With Presidential Bid - US News
Ted Cruz Inherits 'Birthers' With Presidential Bid - US News
#2890
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I would think that a law that applies generally to the foreign born would be necessary; a Senate resolution wouldn't be enough.
#2891
McCain could make a good argument that he was born on US soil. Unless we want to believe that Calgary is a suburb of Boise, Cruz obviously can't do that.
I would think that a law that applies generally to the foreign born would be necessary; a Senate resolution wouldn't be enough.
I would think that a law that applies generally to the foreign born would be necessary; a Senate resolution wouldn't be enough.
This seems to suggest that the Naturalization Act of 1790 covers it.
#2892
McCain could make a good argument that he was born on US soil. Unless we want to believe that Calgary is a suburb of Boise, Cruz obviously can't do that.
I would think that a law that applies generally to the foreign born would be necessary; a Senate resolution wouldn't be enough.
I would think that a law that applies generally to the foreign born would be necessary; a Senate resolution wouldn't be enough.
"Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;"
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This seems to suggest that the Naturalization Act of 1790 covers it.
But that does indicate that Congress has the authority to define "natural born" if it wishes.
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Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state. I don't think that anyone claimed that he couldn't run.



