Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

Pfft! If its the Mods lounge I bloody doubt its that high a place!

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

Are there employment laws in Spain for minors? How many hours would someone have to work at 2 Euros ph to feed a family? also what about utilities etc?

If a kid can work and earn 2 Euros an hour why cant the adult do it instead?
or all of them do it and raise their income?

Doesnt make any sense.

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

My OH and I have had conversations about this issue recently - we find it difficult to believe how some people can hang on and hang on in Spain whilst their finances dwindle to literally nothing and they can scarcely afford the airfare home. Would it not be better to face reality before things get to that stage, knowing that there is a benefits safety net they can access in the UK? Why do people stay until things get so bad, do you think? Is it 'head in the sand' syndrome thinking things are bound to improve although all the signs say otherwise, do they not want to appear to have 'failed' in some way (although in a recession as bad as this one, I don't think they would be stigmatised in that way), or what?

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

Dick has nailed it I believe.
If you really don't believe someone's story, surely it's better to wait? Normally the wind-up merchants fail to re-appear, or they soon contradict their story? I'm not 100% confident that you can stop the sock-puppets appearing (although I'm sure the mods do more than we realise in this respect), but they normally come a cropper. You have to have better memory than most of us to lie convincingly.

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

Or even just common courtesy.

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

There are a lot of stories of new claimants failing to receive benefits in the UK - it's govt policy to delay things as much as possible in an attempt to force those who can work, to do so. This may work in some cases, but for some it results in them living rough - not many landlords are sympathetic if they are not receiving the rent. Also, if you can struggle and still pay the mortgage, many will feel it's better to do that than walk away - and aren't you still liable for the debt in Spain if you do that? Lastly, and contrary to what the politicians tell us, most working people would prefer to work for a living rather than filling out countless forms and waiting in benefit claim offices.

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

legally you can't work til age 16 - I'm not sure what the minimum wage is though

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

I'm sure most people would prefer to work - but with so little prospect of finding any in Spain, at least they could receive JSA if nothing else in the UK, families with children can claim Child Benefit. I know at least four families/couples previously in dire financial straits in Spain who went back to the UK, and in every case at least one of the couple has found a job within weeks. You must realise, when your bank balance gets down to a certain level, that you can't sustain waiting it out in Spain any longer - why not go back whilst you still have enough to pay the airfare and the first couple of months' rent in the UK. If you have a mortgage in Spain and you're unable to meet the repayments, yes I believe the banks will still pursue you for the debt even if you hand back the keys. But sooner or later they would evict you anyway, even if you were still living there, and you would have the same problem of the debt remaining if you stayed in Spain, with less prospect of being able to come to some arrangement with the bank to repay it eventually.

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

Right, Here is one for all of you,

To thous you have given me advice, .. a MASSIVE BIG THANKYOU!. You do what this fourm is ment to be for and I am greatly appriciative.

and Thank you to them who have defend me! :D


For the people that think S**T about my parents, Im going to fill you in, because NEVER will I allow people to think bad about my parents.

I came here at 9, Wrong move? Maybe. ... I couldnt finish school, I was bullied thoughout school in the UK and then again here in Spain, by the time I knew enough Spanish to understand anything in the classroom, I had lost all the will to learn.. So I used to bunk off... So I said that I didnt want to go no more, there was no point, I was being treated like crap and I wasnt learning anything. So at 14, I left school, I didnt sign up to go to the big highschool, (I done 1ºESO and 2ºESO in a primary school) and that was that... At 15 I got a job.. becasue I WANTED TO, In a internet cafe, on the beach of Estepona, perfect location... at 16, my dad remorgaged our non moragage house ... got a loan and bought me that internet cafe. I worked in it.. I love it... I ran it daily and it taught me a heck of a lot of stuff... At 17 we had to shut it down... people now have internet on their mobiles and laptops.. They didnt need the cafe as much... So even if I had dobled my business, it wsa failing in the end becasue of the lack of clients, and before we ran into red figures, We closed it.... So now.. we have a morgage.. bills and tummys to feed. Dad gets a job, In an estate agent in the port.. , doing computer maintenece, I had a long summer job in a suvenir store on the other side of the port, Every thing was great again, till the owner of the estate agent and long time friend of my dad stopped paying him... We defulted on out morgage, the bank was going to take the house away from us.. (This is all over a few years) This guy... then gets me a job working in an estate agent in Puerto Banus... Working WITH him.. but he dosent pay me.. so the owner pays me 100€ a week, which when you work it out it was about 2€ an hour.. I was exploted.. but now Im over 18 and can do what I want... I could of quit if I wanted too.. but no.. I carryed on going day in day out.. with this gut renching dude called Ray Sims who has made our life here a living hell.. I finished working there in Febuary... and he owes me over 5000€.. Now.. Im not going to go into the ins and outs of it all.. because its MY life.. But I worked in these places becasue I wanted too.. I worked in sweety kiosks and with estate agent crooks becasue I wanted to help my family... So DONT YOU DARE say that my parents exploited me.. and dont you dare think anything bad of them...

Go back to the UK you say? and what? live in fear of being stabbed? Pay for breathing? .. and how the hell do you expect us to get there with 5€ in our pockets??.... Again.. my life,.. I aint going to tell you the full detail.. but believe me when I say my dad works hard for me and my mum...


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I aint no wind up... PM me and Ill prove who I am.. No one tells me that I aint who I am... Grow up..and get a hobbie... becasue life?.. your probably had it and its almost over...


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Now.. what ever I have done in my life.. It has nothing to do with this thread.. NOTHING WHAT SO EVER!! so now you know a bit of my story... and have got your gossip.. LEAVE!.... Go and bother someone else with your pointless speculations and other crap that you chatter on about...


and spelling?.. y34h h0w 4b0ut 1 t41k 11k3 th15?! W0u1d u f33l 4ny 83tt34 th3n?!!

...... god sakes...


over and out

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

But you talk about going back as if the UK was home..
I have grown up here...
I have spent more years in Spain then in the UK!!!!!

Spain is my home and its all that I know.. So NO.. why would we be going back there? .. its not home.. its a dump! So drop it!

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

you think Im a girl that follows laws?...

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

[QUOTE=Lynn R;9995178]I'm sure most people would prefer to work - but with so little prospect of finding any in Spain, at least they could receive JSA if nothing else in the UK...QUOTE]

No, if you don't have the relevant contributions in the previous tax year, you don't get JSA. Well, it is possible to get income-related JSA, but hint of a large asset overseas (even though it is impossible to sell at the price bought) and.... you can guess the rest, can't you?
Don't get me wrong, there are people who've spent years playing the system, but all too easy to come a cropper if you're not used to the rules. I can understand why someone would prefer to work rather than undergo the stress of the system. Believe it or not I know people who work for £2 or £3 a hour in the UK - I think they're barmy, but they just can't hack the dss system.

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I wasnt a minior... Iwas 19 when I stared working for 2€ an hour. and it was only becasue I was promised more by an idiot of a dude... By why the hell are you all speculating on it? ... Just drop it.. !!!!! fgs..

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

actually it was a reasonable question - you might not know because you left when you were so young, but in the UK (& other countries) kids can start part time jobs as young as 13 - something which my now 16 year old has been moaning about for 3 years............. she desperately wants to get a summer job this year, but feels that she'd be taking a job from someone who has to feed a family, so is 2 minds about applying for one

you're not the only one to be conned into an ridiculously low (& illegal) hourly pay rate - so many people take a job for say, 10 hours a week for 100€, only to start & be told you have to work as many hours as they want you to, or have no job at all........ eventually you're working so many hours for no more pay & hey presto... it comes out to 2€ an hour!!

Re: A young couple, stepping on the dreaded lader!
 

Let her take a job if she can find one.. Its a dog eat dog world out there.. and the first that snaps up the job is the one that deserves it... and the expirence will do nothing but good, look at me ;) Working at 16 is amazing, I loved working and I still do..