Are you affected by the heat?
Aug 20th 2011, 11:17 am
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
have found
http://spanishexperts.blogspot.com/2...-vs-usted.html
which professes to put some light on the matter - but its Mexican Spanish as opposed to Spanish Spanish (is there such a thing outside Madrid?)
Aug 20th 2011, 11:23 am
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Going back several years all Spanish dictionaries listed ñ and ll as separate letters, now they are talking about trying to do away with the ñ all together.
Aug 20th 2011, 11:24 am
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
after all, the ñ (enye) IS a separate letter, as you say
jeez the heat must be affecting me................I don't often agree with you
Aug 20th 2011, 11:27 am
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
and changed the names of w & y
Aug 20th 2011, 12:11 pm
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Aug 20th 2011, 12:15 pm
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
like that
have found
http://spanishexperts.blogspot.com/2...-vs-usted.html
which professes to put some light on the matter - but its Mexican Spanish as opposed to Spanish Spanish (is there such a thing outside Madrid?)
have found
http://spanishexperts.blogspot.com/2...-vs-usted.html
which professes to put some light on the matter - but its Mexican Spanish as opposed to Spanish Spanish (is there such a thing outside Madrid?)
Aug 20th 2011, 12:19 pm
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
it's just not called i griega now - you're supposed to call it ye
not that many people would really care I guess - even if they know....
the RAE makes these odd changes every now & then, & I would imagine that kids are now being taught to say ye, whereas us oldies will always call it i griega
Aug 20th 2011, 12:28 pm
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Aug 20th 2011, 12:31 pm
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
"W" is, as of November 28, 2010, officially called "doble uve" (although in the past it has also been called "uve doble," "doble ve," and "doble u"), and "y" is now officially called "ye" (because it is used more often as a consonant than as a vowel, although it has traditionally been called "i griega"). These official uses are considered recommendations, not requirements (i.e., the other names are not considered "wrong"), but the expectation of the RAE is that teachers will teach the official version which, in the RAE's view, should make things simpler for students of Spanish
Aug 20th 2011, 12:46 pm
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
I'll be checking with 9yo very shortly to see if they'd been told there's a change! (and no, Lynn I didn't think the Y had been erased, merely that when spouting my NIE number I need to say i griega .... or not, now, apparently)
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Aug 20th 2011, 12:57 pm
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Aug 20th 2011, 1:05 pm
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
technically it is a tilde - but I find that confuses students when explaining the sílaba tónica, so I tend to go along with the idea that it isn't really
after all, the ñ (enye) IS a separate letter, as you say
jeez the heat must be affecting me................I don't often agree with you
after all, the ñ (enye) IS a separate letter, as you say
jeez the heat must be affecting me................I don't often agree with you
If that makes sense.
Aug 20th 2011, 1:19 pm
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
I don't know from technical. He is an educated Spaniard, Andaluz, if that has relevance. I queried it with him, and his explanation was that the emphasis/stress indicator is a tilde, but the wiggle on the top of the ñ isn't a tilde, because it doesn't have a separate existance. ie you can have ó, and you can have o on its own, where for example it is the same letter eg mamón and mamones, but the wiggle never comes off the ñ.
If that makes sense.
If that makes sense.
) are right about the tilde above the vowel being an indicator of the strong syllable - & as I said 'technically' the ñ squiggle IS one...............at least according to the RAE
Virgulilla o rasgo que se pone sobre algunas abreviaturas, el que lleva la ñ, y cualquier otro signo que sirva para distinguir una letra de otra o denotar su acentuación
Aug 20th 2011, 1:21 pm
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?