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Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12363281)
Britons now and have always had to pass through passport control to enter Europe, and vice-versa. This will not change after Brexit. It may suffer a bit more stringent control (in the worst case, a visa, though unlikely), but won't change much otherwise.
The point is, that won't be what leads to the decline of Britons vacationing abroad. The cost will have a much larger impact. |
Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12363281)
OK
Britons now and have always had to pass through passport control to enter Europe, and vice-versa. This will not change after Brexit. It may suffer a bit more stringent control (in the worst case, a visa, though unlikely), but won't change much otherwise. The point is, that won't be what leads to the decline of Britons vacationing abroad. The increased cost (to Britons) will have a much larger impact. |
Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by Rotor
(Post 12363230)
Never had additional european cover in 30 years of travelling through out , never needed it , EHIC is sufficient for me, my autonomo payments covered me when I was resident.
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Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12363283)
All of which has nothing to do with "freedom of movement" as defined by the EU.
The problem is going to be affordability, not borders or visas.. |
Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
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Originally Posted by BritInParis
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Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12363590)
:thumbsup:
Ironically, you're posting just as I'm watching a sky news report about the pinch most Britons are feeling as a result of the decline of the pound, an how hols abroad are declining. And Brexit hasn't even happened yet. |
Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Yes agreed but post- Brexit will the EHIC agreement still exist ?
Currently it is estimated that the UK Government pays over £650 million annually to support the EHIC Card. The Government could decide to continue doing this or they could expect people to take out travel insurance as they do for holidays elsewhere. On the occasions that I have required medical treatment I have not used the EHIC card as it concentrates on public hospitals - rather I have preferred and got better and more timely treatment in private ones. I'm watching a sky news report about the pinch most Britons are feeling as a result of the decline of the pound, an how hols abroad are declining. If it's on sky it must be true!! However prices to the countries where terrorism isn't seen as an issue have remained stable for next year and some have gone down. I suspect any decline is due to people's concerns rather than to possible Brexit concerns but then sky wouldn't be saying it unless it was anti Brexit - would they?? |
Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12363588)
.... But the poster who I responded to seemed to think "freedom of movement" was relevant because it's ending, though it's not, ....
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Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12363715)
If Britain is leaving the "single market" and freedom of movement is one of the pillars of the single market, how is freedom of movement not ending for British citizens? :confused:
Freedom of Northern Europeans to visit Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Malta, Greece (for personal or tourism purposes) did not change much as a consequence of EU membership. Modernly you still need a passport to take a typical package holiday. Back in the day it was sometimes not required (eg schoolchildren in formal groups with a teacher). Granted, it is a lot easier (as to bureaucracy) to cross the Channel with your car than it was in 1950, but that has little to do with the EU. |
Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by holly_1948
(Post 12363778)
"Freedom of movement" is a term of art in the EU and refers almost entirely to employment mobility.
Freedom of Northern Europeans to visit Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Malta, Greece (for personal or tourism purposes) did not change much as a consequence of EU membership. Modernly you still need a passport to take a typical package holiday. Back in the day it was sometimes not required (eg schoolchildren in formal groups with a teacher). Granted, it is a lot easier (as to bureaucracy) to cross the Channel with your car than it was in 1950, but that has little to do with the EU. Well in one way it's related to employment but if you look at the Channel Islands, with a Jersey passport you also need a visa if you want to live in another EU country. EU citizens don't need a visa to live in Jersey, although you have residential regulations (housing, work). But still it might cost more if you want to retire in Europe. I'm sure Spain will just have a retirement visa to make some extra cash. |
Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
The government in its outline statement says it intends to continue with the ehic. One expects that will be if an agreement is done with the EU, if not who knows? Healthcare both EHIC and S1 is one of the elements of this so called first stage of negotiations so I can't see much point in speculating really.
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Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12363715)
If Britain is leaving the "single market" and freedom of movement is one of the pillars of the single market, how is freedom of movement not ending for British citizens? :confused:
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Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12364066)
The only thing that's ending (for Britons) is the right to live and work in the EU. This has nothing to do with tourism. ....
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Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12364078)
Right - "freedom of movement" means live and work, which has nothing to do with tourism, and nothing to do with Schengen either, despite your post #12 above.
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Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12363588)
Correct, the only issue with respect to tourism is schengen, to which Britain is not and never has been a subscriber. But the poster who I responded to seemed to think "freedom of movement" was relevant because it's ending, though it's not, even though equally irrelevant.
The problem is going to be affordability, not borders or visas..
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12363590)
:thumbsup:
Ironically, you're posting just as I'm watching a sky news report about the pinch most Britons are feeling as a result of the decline of the pound, an how hols abroad are declining. And Brexit hasn't even happened yet. |
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