Re: Will it be like this for Brits visiting Spain post Brexit?
 

Schengen Agreement -

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/wh...as/schengen_en

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Thank you for that, very informative.
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Gibraltar is not in the Schengen area which is why you have border controls and queues.

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No. 100% of EU citizens have the right. Whether it's one, three or 48% of them who exercise it is irrelevant.

No.

Where did the notion that 99% of EU citizens are not interested in freedom of movement come from? Is this like claiming that the vast majority who don't do public speaking aren't interested in freedom of speech?


Sorry. I can't respond to gibberish.

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Do you have the attention span of a kitten, and are not able to read through the entire thread? Published statistics from reliable sources (including the Guardian!) only put the number of EU citizens exercising Free Movement at about 1%, though it's less in many of the EU countries. The figures also don't take into account how many of that 1% may be dual nationals and therefore don't need Free Movement.

So, yes, that is a very relevant number, if "Free Movement" is going to continue to be the campaign platform that "Stay" and "In" campaigns base themselves around. If 99% of the population doesn't use it - doesn't catering to the one-percenters seem awfully stupid? What is in the goodie bag for everyone else?

Just ask the Catalonians - who did not seem too bothered in their referendum at losing the supposedly-cherished "Free Movement" despite EU threats.

The masses can just eat cake, right?

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Had it occurred to you that some people actually don't want the right. ..... They would actually give up the right? That they see the right as a big fat negative?

Try asking a plumber in the UK whether freedom of movement has done him any good! .... Or ask yourself what made the Brexit vote go the way it did? .... I can tell you, if you are oblivious to it - that large numbers of British voters resented having their towns swamped with migrants from Eastern Europe! :nod:

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Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. ..... Go read up on "Latin Monetary Union"! :rofl:
We can rely on Brussels to tell everyone what is good for them! :rolleyes:

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I will go with the Eurostat/Guardian statistics but what you posted reinforces - not refutes - the point that the number of EU citizens exercising Free Movement is statistically insignificant. If it was a poll, a candidate polling 3% would be considered to be at zero as that figure would be within the margin of error.

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And here I thought the poor British voted Brexit because they are swamped by workers exercising their right to move and now it is only a tiny little minority that actually moves. So convenient how you guys turn around arguments, like lawyers. Well done!!

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And if we should ban everything that only a small percentage of the population uses, we should ban an awful lot of stuff :nod: (starting with golf courses :eek:) ...

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What you say is of course very true depending upon which area in UK one lives. It does however ignore the fact that at the same time as eastern Europeans were coming into the UK the country was also taking in very large numbers of refugees, many fail to separate the two ? Many simply see all as Johnny Foreigner taking over the UK. Of course if one lives in an area mostly unaffected then they don't see how detrimental it is to flood already deprived areas in the way our government did. Is it the freedom of movement or simply bad management of it and refugees that caused the problem? Remember Blair said eastern Europeans would not come in large numbers so didn't apply the time limit caveat allowed to slow down the process.

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Do the French deliberately slow down people and traffic through the channel ports?

Or the Spanish on the Biscay ports?

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:goodpost:

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I did not say that. You are responding to phantom posts. Please only respond to posts that actually exist, and not imaginary ones, or ones that you wish other people had said so you can round on them.

My point is valid and you have yet to refute it with anything other than insults. The vast majority of EU citizens are asking "what is in it for them?" but the EU elites are catering to "one percenters" such as yourself. Continuing to do so is an invitation for the EU to dissolve; we have not seen the last "in out" referendum and to think that "in out" begins and ends with the UK, and that everyone else is happy-clappy and content, is to be willfully oblivious.

While Pulaski correctly stated that there were a block of voters who chose to vote leave because of immigration concerns, there were not enough of them to carry the day. Lots of people had many reasons to vote against the EU, including (which Pulaski also correctly cited) a growing fear that Germany is becoming too powerful and rolling over other countries with hostile policies as a result.

To counter that with a defence of the one percent and smarminess is not smart at all and is going to lead to - and has already led to - further "shock results" that "nobody saw coming."

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Very happy to be a member of the elite.