When PP win the election, what will change?
 

They've put their manifesto in English (which you can download by clicking the Union flag here http://www.pp.es/actualidad-noticia/...l-pp_5741.html )

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A lot will change, there will be jobs for everyone, nobody will live in poverty, corruption will be wiped out, promises will be kept, streets will be safer, they will put all that is wrong with the county, right.

I thought that was obvious, I cant see why you need to ask:rofl::blink:

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:rofl::p

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and how will they teach the pigs to fly???

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You think they will win ?, ermmm maybe its time to now invest in the brown paper bag industry then ?

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Well for a start you'll get screwed from the right instead of screwed from the left, or as bil would so eloquently put it screwed with a blue condom instead of a red one, whilst those wearing a black condom will no doubt continue on their merry way screwing everyone in sight including the government. :cool:

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It's one thing that I'm sorry to be quite so accurate.

The only difference between the PSOE and the PP is that technically the PSOE are supposed to care about the little man. The PP don't give a flying f'uck.

You know why the PP's symbol is a seagull? Because they crap on everything and everyone.

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Well in that case judging by opinion polls prepare thyself to be crapped upon bigtime from a great height. :rofl:

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Well, the PP havent ruled out privatising education and health for a start

Although they have said it will still be "universal" but not necessarily provided and paid for by the state

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Really? You mean the PP won't usher in an age of zero unemployment, prosperity for all, a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage?

Next you'll be telling me that the reyes magos aren't real.

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Of course they will, just like the PSOE did, or was I dreaming.:unsure:

Anyway, I know for sure the Reyes Magos are real, I've seen them with my own eyes on more than one occasion.

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Well, at least Zappy got Spain out of Iraq et al. The PP would have had them even further up Bush's ar'se.

I always used to say that Aznar was so far up Bush's ar'se that he could actually see Blair's feet.

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The BEST:rofl::thumbup::rofl::thumbup::rofl:

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Why, thank you kind sir.

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For the thousands of frontier workers down at Gibraltar and the infrastructure they support in Spain it will be a serious belt tightening exercise.

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et al what ???

Can't see much else he's achieved.:confused:

As far as most Spanish apart from those with red eyeballs are concerned he's been an absolute disaster, much like Brown he continued to fiddle while Rome burned when drastic positive action should have been the order of the day.

It's very difficult to imagine the next guy being any worse than the hapless Mr Bean. :o

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If the PP get in, I suspect a lot of belts will need to be tightened a bit.

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As they say, and don't ask me who, a stitch in time saves nine.

BEAN,BROWN,...FAIL.

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I'd rather have a hapless Mr bean than a vicious PP. Do you really think life will be any better under them?

UK and Spain are in the shit financially for a lot of reasons, and it's a little more complex than simply blaming the person who had the watch at the time.

The governments of the left AND the right were happy to slacken off controls on the banking system despite the warnings given to them that it made us less safe. Lots of people were warning that the property markets were a bubble waiting to burst, but Brown paid no heed. In this, the Tories are also to blame, because they too were entranced by all the lovely gravy, and they didn't get up on their hind legs and say that something ought to be done to slow the rise of the bubble.

The government as a whole were responsible for the parlous state we found ourselves in, and then the US tipped the market over by selling NINJA mortgages to anyone who could hold a pen.

So it isn't Zappy or Brown who are to blame, it's every single member of gvernment. The partisan comments like blaming Zappy and Brown are just what government loves. It reassures them that you haven't seen what they are up to and they can go on their merry way regardless.

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They are all a fail, left and right together.

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Yes, but they were quite happy to take the plaudits when things were (seemingly) going well..
There is another point here. Who were the people (mainly house buyers) happy to take advantage of what seemed like free money ie the property price bubble? In many ways we can blame ourselves, not just the politicians, for the state of the economy.

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I'm a bit worried about the patriotic Guardia Civil, who always vote PP. Round my way they've started fining car-driving foreigners in a big way, the favourite one is for using a mobile while driving which costs a 200 Euro fine.

The trouble is, the foreigners being fined for using mobiles while driving are innocent. One woman had hers in a zipped up handbag, others don't even own a mobile.

The GC rely on the silly foreigners just paying up because they know they can't win against the police.

My point is that the PP are less foreigner friendly than the socialists.

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Absolutely, but dont worry, they only see Northern Europeans as a cash cow, they wont descriminate against them enough to drive them out of the country

Its the Muslims, Eastern Europeans and Latin Americans who need to be afraid of the PP

And to that you can add the Catalans, Basques, anarchists, socialists, communists and indignados

Inclusive they are not

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Exactly. The Irish and British were buying off-plan property on the CDS as if there were no tomorrow. Simply because they could get a mortgage. In the UK many were topping up their mortgages when the equity in their house increased.

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True, people knew full well it couldn't go on forever, but I blame the little people who just strove to give themselves a financial break less harshly than I do those in power.

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Wind power, with all the hot hair from the politicians.

What concerns me is that if PP win, as I reckon they will, Aznar will be there in the background, which wouldn't go down too well up here. Not noted for dialogue, & certainly not with his English!

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I'm known for my dislike of politicians of all stripes, with a couple of exceptions, sometimes for odd reasons.

I can never understand why so many people at the bottom of the heap continue to vote for the right when the right wing of politics is so far in the camp of the rich and the powerful.

I think they appeal to the nasty side in a lot of cases, the racist card is one you usually find the right playing.

The promise of tax cuts, when for the basic earners, tax cuts usually mean at best a small amount in their pocket, an increase in some other tax bigger than the amount gained, and a reduction in services which will almost certainly cost them more than the few extra quid they get back.

Of course, for the big earners, tax cuts are great. They get a shedload back, the increase in other taxes is small beer to them, and they usually don't even use the services that the poorer members of society depend on.

In short, the right and their tax cutting systems are, more often than not going to screw the bulk of the population while enriching the topsector.

So when I see so many poorer people voting Tory, I have to assume that they are too stupid to do basic adding up, or else too thick to grasp what they really get, or so desperate to hang onto every single penny they earn, they don't realise that by letting go of a little, they stand to gain a lot.

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your comments seem quite astute & lucid. I guess most politicians do it for the glory/money.
Ones like "the beast of Bolsover" (i forget his name momentarily) are rare.
I've always preferred to lump together the best bits of all parties, which is rather impractical with the system we have. You have to take the rough with the smooth as it were.
I detest the way that our previous government seemed to "destroy" the family in the name of equality, but that they also supported the underprivileged.

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The "beast of Bolsover" is Dennis Skinner - just about the best public speaker I have ever heard. He never misses a Commons sitting, refuses to take part in the pairing system which allows MPs to miss Parliamentary votes, and won't even eat in the Commons dining rooms.

Another politician I admire is Frank Field, although many of his views are much further to the right than Dennis's! If his ideas on reforms to the benefits system had been adopted by the Blair Government, the UK might not be in as much of a mess as it is now.

Both of them are men of principle, something all too obviously lacking in the vast majority of today's politicians.

And I totally agree with Bil's views on the stupidity of the working class who vote Tory - but what's their alternative since the Labour party became almost indistinguishable from them?

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Dennis Skinner, yeah, George Galloway also had a very good reputation as an MP from his constituents, no matter that he is possibly certifiably insane.

The Labour party, yeah, I know what you mean, but at their worst, they are still better for the working man than the tories are.

The tories are simply better at selling themselves to shortsighted idiots.

They are best summed up by the humerous conservative poster that read

"Britains better off better off are better off with the Selfservatives."

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Rubalcaba is the PSOE candidate. He was the Minister of the Interior responsible for taking away residence for Europeans living in Spain, forcing us to carry our passports and a silly blue A4 document at all times. Oh - you don't have to carry them always, but there comes a time when you need them - and there they are, in your desk at home.
In 1995, when Felipe gave European residents (we were still residents then) the vote in local elections, it was Rubalcaba, then Ministro de la Presidencia, who pulled the plug. We could vote in European elections but not local ones (the fear was, in those days, that the foreigners would bother to vote... and probably for the PP).
The PSOE is the party that has made 'owning a home in Spain' a dirty expression elsewhere in Europe.
The PP might not like foreigners much... but at least they like our money.

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I have always found it a shame that the liberals cannot put a decent national party together that could be on par with local politicians. I have always found them locally to really care for their town and try to help in any way possible. Strangely, again locally I prefer to deal with the tories and labour I would not give a damn for, they were the only party that used bully boy tactics, even using the local police force to try to ensure I did as I was told which came as rather a shock. All because they wanted a few acres of land "for the people."
We were tipped off for what they really wanted it for and low and behold when they finally got it they sold half to the golf course and the other half to a builder. Out of interest it was land that was bequeathed locally to the people in perpetuity and then designated green belt.
And they reckon Spain is corrupt, I would love to know how much went into the back pocket of dearest Blunkett, the leader of the council I had to deal with.

Graham

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Blunkett, Blunkett, so dumb he did it twice.....

(to the tune of 'New York'.)

The only MP I can think of that attained high office, acted in what was seen as a corrupt fashion, got given high office a second time, and did the same damn type of thing again.....

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The saddest thing about both Labour MPs and Union leaders is the way that they are usually the very first ones to betray those who have given them their trust.
You may well expect to get shafted by the Tories, but at least you see them coming.
With Labour MPs and Union leaders around you daren't even bend down to pick up the soap.

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Do you mean arriving in Volvos to show solidarity with British Leyland workers ?

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Is the PP in the UK then, I have lost the thread now:confused:

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The difference is that you may get shagged by Labour. You WILL get shagged by the tories, because at the end of the day, you aren't in their gang.

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That's a fair analysis, but you've missed out my lot, the Liberals.

We're fair people, we believe in freedom, we don't care who we shag as long as it's legal.

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You'll get buggered with that lot

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On the day that the liberals are as electable as the tories and Labour, they will become as corrupted as the other two.

Charles Kennedy. The greatest prime minister we never had. If he had been in when the bloody yanks came calling re Iraq, he might have been the one to kep us out.