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after he had had a stiff drink first :frown:

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I loved that ginger nut from the Highlands. He stood up against all the injustices in the world, but then he got on the piss. His constituency up in that cold country is full of distilleries producing medicine to cure all ills.

A decent single malt will melt away all your troubles away in an instant. Too many of them and you'll wind up with your head in the soup.

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Mandelson

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Like I say, There's a short list of politicians I like, (I'm not talking trust here, ok) and Chucky boy is well up on it.

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What, banana boy? (A yellow skinned, greasy, bent fruit.)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mandelson


He twice resigned from Tony Blair's government while holding Cabinet positions.
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They ought to have a forum called 'BritishPats', where contributors could fulminate about Britain to their heart's content. Then those wishing to rabbit on about Spain could have a chance here...
:teeth_smile:

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and of course all the Spaniards who have moved to the UK and other Eu countries don't talk about the political and fiscal problems in Spain, concentrating on what they know - the woes and problems of the country they are working and living in

P. Rat

:frown:

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Well no actually

The Spaniards I knew in London didnt watch Spanish TV or listen to Spanish speaking radio while in the UK. And guess what, they spoke English! Although they did read El Pais from time to time

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Yeah, but Blunket was thrown out for improper financial behaviour, wasn't he?

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Whereas I'd agree that a far greater proportion of Spanish in the UK will bother to learn the language (compared with Brits abroad), in the majority of cases it is for work purposes? You can't compare that with elderly Brits who retire abroad, as it's much harder to learn a language as you get older.
~Besides which many Spanish get together socially to chat in their native language. Quite normal actually, just like all migrant groups.

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The retired no. But there are plenty of younger of Brits around here that moved over to live and get a job. They dont speak any Spanish either, or a very small amount.

I wonder if a Spaniard has ever decided to retire in the UK? :rofl:

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Yes when they have to.!!!!!

Otherwise, when with their countrymen they will be speaking Spanish.
Thats like the Lithuanian group I walked past on my way to the paper shop, they all stopped speaking in their language and reverted to English as I walked past.
:rofl:

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You're good at speaking the obvious today

I have a friend who moved to London to learn English and worked in McDs for a year. A year later he got a professional job and was one of my first workmates.

I really admired his get-up-and-go. He was well qualified and left a good job in Madrid to do that because he was getting bored and hadnt been promoted since he joined.

The point is, how many young British people are prepared to do this in Spain? Not many. When they move here it is normally in search of the easy life and they cant even be bothered to learn the language. Depressing

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Well at least they have better manners than some of the Welsh, then, who start speaking Welsh amongst themselves when someone they perceive to be English arrives on the scene!

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Not quite so depressing as listening to you playing the same old worn out record.
It has already been clearly explained to you how, where and when different circumstances are likely to apply.

There are none so blind........

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prat - cant see a tongue in cheek ironical statement when it comes on the end of wreckers ball

and as a Welshman I resent such a comment........

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[QUOTE=cricketman;9714245

I wonder if a Spaniard has ever decided to retire in the UK? :rofl:[/QUOTE]

Christ, Cman, have a look at the UK weather!

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Doesn't matter how many "hints" you give nearly every thread is about the UK after a few posts. I think it's called being integrated;):lol:

A bit of moderation wouldn't go amiss to keep threads reasonably on topic.

2 weeks to go, is there a lot of electioneering going on and is the public interested? Will the PP find all the money has been spent like when Brown was turfed out? Perhpas you could let us know Lenox

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But....but....I thought the UK had the 'perfect climate'???? :blink: :blink: :blink:

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Looking back on the OP's original question,

"When the PP win the election, what will change?"

I think the answer is,

"Nothing for the good, that's for sure."

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I agree about keeping threads on topic. I keep getting emails regarding a new comment, only to find it's not really relevant!!
Am a bit new to all this.
It'll be interesting to see what comments there are when Rubalcaba & Rajoy go head to head on TV soon.
Personally, but with a bit of tongue in cheek, I distrust politicians with beards or moustaches (or both)!!! Hope that doesn't open the flood gates to abusive replies!!

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says J2 who has never, ever, nor would lower herself to make a single off thread comment

life must be very short and boring in 1:1 conversations where you are involved as the subject matter would be discussed and over in a couple of seconds.
all conversations can and do drift away from the original but then thats called Real Life not a J2 and friends imposed life.

and yes this posting is not about the PP, election but could be about change but not related change.

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Threads do go off topic, a bit of banter can be fun. After a couple of posts it's not on though. Newbies must feel a bit miffed if they do a search to find the posts are nothing like the thread title:thumbdown:

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I can only say what I have seen. In my own case, I have spent almost 11 years in the UK, I am married to a British guy with almost no Spanish at all, I have always worked in English environments and I only speak Spanish to my mum when we talk on the phone.

I have met maybe other 8 Spanish people here, and I would certainly avoid 2 of those as I simply don't like them. I have to say that I was the very first Spanish person working in one of my jobs here and by the time I left there were 3 more. I left the place showing that we had a better work culture than many British people could imagine, as the slow life in a small village with siesta is not the same as in a big city, and when one is a foreigner and a woman one has to prove everyday that one is a good asset, especially as a second language was not needed for in my position.

I was responsible of 4 British colleagues, and 2 of those were terrible workers, one was half decent and the other one was fantastic. I ended up doing the work of other 2, who I would have been extemely happy to fire had I had the power to. And no, I wouldn't have got Spanish people per se, just good workers so I wouldn't have to end up doing their work without being paid to do so.

When I meet my Spanish friends in London, maybe 2-3 times a year because we don't live close, there are British friends and other nationalities around as we do a large reunion to meet everybody. We all talk in English, and I don't live anywhere close to any other Spanish in my village.

So I only speak English in the UK. I can only remember a couple times when I met with Spanish friends only and that was to help with Spanish visitors who could not speak English. We are completely integrated in the UK, as we understand that when one lives in a foreign country one simply HAS TO integrate, that means learn the culture and language. This is the kind of foreigners one wants in one's own country.

I worry about Spain just as I worry about the UK, and I know many people like me. Spain is far from perfect, just as the UK, and in the current times things are even worse. Patriotism doesn't mean defending your country at all cost, because many attacks have a good ground. I attack both Spain and the UK and would like many things to change in both. :(

Integrated foreigners is something that both the PSOE and the PP in Spain and any other political party in the UK want. So do the nationals of any country.

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:confused:

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I've worked with Spanish people both in the UK and in Spain, and to date I've only ever worked with highly competent and hard-working individuals. This is not to say you can't find lazy or incompetent Spanish staff - I came across a couple in a Valencian bar-restaurant who made Laurel and Hardy look good - but there are plenty of good workers around. I don't think this changes under different governments though!

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Cracking post and so true. It points out an important distiction.

A patriot loves his or her country. A nationalist hates other countries and their occupants.

They used to say, patriotism is the last resort of a scoundrel (ie "I did it for my country!")

I always say that patriotism is the first resort of the fascist/nationalist.

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I know foreigners can't vote but try this to see which party suits you.

http://www.diariosur.es/elecciones/2...tafinidad.html

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Oddly I seem to be closest to IU.

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I also ended up with the IU. Perhaps it's a dirty commie trick! Heh.

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My wife's always voted IU!

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I'm not defending anyone, I will be objective ...

1) Do any of you lived in Spain in 1996? The country was equal to or worse than now. Such was the country at that time when it was PP, following the departure of Felipe Gonzalez (PSOE) Do you know how is country when the PP leave in 2004? The country had a super-avit

2) To say that the PP is right, like the PSOE of Zapatero, is left, is very, very stupid. The left and right are for the civil war and Franco's dictatorship. The PP showed in his previous term be 1000 times more tolerant than the government supposedly "progressive" of Zapatero, than also of ruin, has bombarded citizens with fines, fees, censorship, bans, and all type of stupid moralizing. And this have been a reality, unless than you not may know because you have not lived here the last 8 years. Anyone who has lived here and deny the evidence, is that truly is stupid or unwilling to see reality

I had never lived so poorly, nor economically nor socially, or in terms of freedoms, since than governs Zapatero. And I've lived all governments since democracy, I know perfectly well what I mean. If there were justice in Spain, Zapatero should have the same fate as the president of Iceland, who is on trial for his criminal incompetence. It's amazing how this asshole has been president for almost 8 years.

The only thing that has managed was squander the super-avit of the PP, make life impossible to the citizens, destroy our foreign policy, and divide the country. Each time the PSOE has come to govern, finished ruining the country. People in this country not learn

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Well I think the opinion polls say it all, though I get the same vibes from my Spanish pals.
Will the real Mr Bean step forward, seems that the Shoemaker has really put his foot in it this time.
What amazes me are these staged events where he still seems to have a thousand or so ppl. still cheering him on,..or are they maybe just trained monkeys ? :unsure:

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Everyone said Brown was the pits and Labour was finished, but at the polls, the vote between L&C was so close that the coalition was the only way the tories could hold power.

Most people realise that the fault of the shitstorm was the american tossers and their NINJA mortgages.

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Brown was so bad he's a virtual outcast in his own party.
They all avoid him like the plague.

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I'm with Relampago. Zapatero has changed this country from macho to manso in eight years.

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In the UK, the alternative is Miliband Minor, who knows (nor cares) no more about the working class than Cameron, and is far more idealogically-led. Out of the two, Cameron is streets ahead, both in ability and in statesmanship. Miliband is a champagne socialist who cares little for the things that most Brits hold dear.

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Yet voted in by the Unions despite the fact that both the Labour party and the majority of its followers preferred Millipede Major.

As usual with Labour,the tail wags the dog.:rofl: