Originally Posted by Pocaloca (Post 10194006)

Well I haven't been on here long enough to learn the unwritten rule, never admit you were wrong and if in doubt, insult someone else at random as a distraction!

Back to the topic though, I'm sure Spain could feed its population without importing food. The people who produce it will have to make sure it's shared out fairly. This could involve a selective cull of politicians and big businessmen (a good source of dietary fat ...???)

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 10194035)

Of course it could, Spain could feed the country twice over with what it exports. The question as you say, is whether this would be fairly distributed. The world already produces enough food to feed everyone, but still millions of people die of hunger every year

Everyone up here in Asturias has a family huerta back in their parents/grandparents villages. My parents in law were never hungry as children, although they didnt see a biscuit until they were a teenager :D And in fact didnt have electricity or piped water either.

Choice and the quantity of meat would go down, but people would eat well. The people who went hungry 60 years ago were in Andalucia and Extramudura, they have better agricultural systems now. The problems would be in the big cities. These people would have to go back to the villages

This is a question for JLFS. Given that Galicia has such fertile land, how come so many migrants to Latin American came from there?

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 10194035)

Of course it could, Spain could feed the country twice over with what it exports. The question as you say, is whether this would be fairly distributed. The world already produces enough food to feed everyone, but still millions of people die of hunger every year

Everyone up here in Asturias has a family huerta back in their parents/grandparents villages. My parents in law were never hungry as children, although they didnt see a biscuit until they were a teenager :D And in fact didnt have electricity or piped water either.

Choice and the quantity of meat would go down, but people would eat well. The people who went hungry 60 years ago were in Andalucia and Extramudura, they have better agricultural systems now. The problems would be in the big cities. These people would have to go back to the villages

This is a question for JLFS. Given that Galicia has such fertile land, how come so many migrants to Latin American came from there?

Originally Posted by Rotor (Post 10194075)

Thousands would die of starvation , current farming methods all depend on fuel , fertilizer and pesticides so with no money crop production would drop massively ,town people could not just move into the campo as its all owned by someone so along would come huge civil unrest and anarchy , all unlikely but not impossible :eek:
Your best bet IMHO would be to get yourself a sailing boat and head for remote islands off Scotland and Scandinavia and make sure you are armed to the teeth.!

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 10194107)

I dont agree with that

Most Spanish families still have property empty in the villages. Maybe not those close to the coast that have been bought by foreigners, but those inlabd and in the North there are entire villages empty with properties that maybe need the roof fixing. And a stream of mineral water running through the village.

Many of them have all the small holdings surrounding the villages, many of which havent been worked on for 30 years

You could probably put several million people back in these villages and have enough resources for everyone

Yes, fuel will be expensive, but we are not saying that all industry and exports would stop. If they did, then we'd be back to the donkey, mule and oxen!

People didnt have to arm themselves to the teeth to get by years ago during hard teams and nor would they need to in the future.

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10193128)

Would any replacement currency be called pesetas or even nuevo pesetas ?

It would cause quite a few complications as many bank statements and other facturas still show the old peseta value next to the euro value.
Naturally any new currency peseta or otherwise would have a different rate.

On top of that quite a few old timers around me still only discuss various values such as house prices in pesetas as at 160 to the euro.

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 10194107)

People didnt have to arm themselves to the teeth to get by years ago during hard teams and nor would they need to in the future.

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10194170)

I've been trying to point this out for ages Dick, it seems you're one of the few who understand the implications.
My suspicion (and it is only a suspicion) is the the replacement currency will be called something like the Europeso - it will be similar in size to the Euro and have 100 pesocentimes, so current machines can quickly utilise them. Of course the value will change over time (perhaps an initial 20% drop?) so as you rightly point out it will be difficult if not possible to show old peseta equivalent values.

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 10194107)

I dont agree with that

Most Spanish families still have property empty in the villages. Maybe not those close to the coast that have been bought by foreigners, but those inlabd and in the North there are entire villages empty with properties that maybe need the roof fixing. And a stream of mineral water running through the village.

Many of them have all the small holdings surrounding the villages, many of which havent been worked on for 30 years

You could probably put several million people back in these villages and have enough resources for everyone

Yes, fuel will be expensive, but we are not saying that all industry and exports would stop. If they did, then we'd be back to the donkey, mule and oxen!

People didnt have to arm themselves to the teeth to get by years ago during hard teams and nor would they need to in the future.

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10194170)

I've been trying to point this out for ages Dick, it seems you're one of the few who understand the implications.
My suspicion (and it is only a suspicion) is the the replacement currency will be called something like the Europeso - it will be similar in size to the Euro and have 100 pesocentimes, so current machines can quickly utilise them. Of course the value will change over time (perhaps an initial 20% drop?) so as you rightly point out it will be difficult if not possible to show old peseta equivalent values.

Originally Posted by bobd22 (Post 10194218)

God forbid they call it the nuevo pesetas, look what happened to the UK currency when they brought in new pence lol

Originally Posted by Rotor (Post 10194151)

Putting several million back into villages would cost serveral billion which Spain does not have, plus all these second homes will be bank owned as well as the first ones as no one could pay mortgages as there would be no work ! whats more 99% of town people have no agricultural knowledge , they would starve before they learnt.

Originally Posted by bob_bob (Post 10194228)

Do you honestly believe people would just pack up and relocate? No, they would not, and to what benefit ? Give them all a spade and get them planting peppers and toms? Do you have some image in your mind of the happy family sitting down to garlic and potato soup, mom and dad drinking a glass of home made wine?

Originally Posted by bob_bob (Post 10194228)

Do you honestly believe people would just pack up and relocate? No, they would not, and to what benefit ? Give them all a spade and get them planting peppers and toms? Do you have some image in your mind of the happy family sitting down to garlic and potato soup, mom and dad drinking a glass of home made wine?