We're not all fortunate enough to have a plan B if it all blows up. Most of us will probably have to sit tight and try and ride out the storm.

A family member staying with us on holiday from the UK suggested earlier that when he returns next year, he will be coming over with Pesetas rather than Euros. We had a happy conversation remembering when we could paint the town red on a mil Pesetas a day.

I value his judgment because he has spent his life working in the City, but I don't share his politics. (Nor his bonuses).

Would any replacement currency be called pesetas or even nuevo pesetas ?

It would cause quite a few complications as many bank statements and other facturas still show the old peseta value next to the euro value.
Naturally any new currency peseta or otherwise would have a different rate.

On top of that quite a few old timers around me still only discuss various values such as house prices in pesetas as at 160 to the euro.

how would Germany not have got into the EU ? Do you mean the €uro?

A United Europe was formed around Germany and France, it being Germany's alternative to war, just take over all the European countries by stealth.
When you owe them enough money you will be taken over by an army of unsmiling accountants rather than unsmiling soldiers. France fell in line as they saw Germany as being better Europeans than UK, which is why they kept us out of it so long. Their relationship with Germany was just a continuation of the Vichy relationship during the war.

You really can't go back to all those years ago, things like the Vichy government in France are an irrelevance in modern times.

'The Boers have got my daddy, my soldier dad'.

'Hitler has only got one ball, Himmler has got no balls at all'.

You can sit on your rocking chair somewhere and sing those songs, but you'll be without an audience, the world has moved on.

Firstly if you currently have savings in Spanish banks you are crackers ,Spanish government guarantees will be worth squat as things get tougher.

As for no food , curfews and civil unrest I`d get my family out asap , guiris /immigrants will be blamed for everything and there will be lynchings , just like Jews were in Germany in the 30`s .
My gut feeling is that I`m only around 60% sure it wont happen for real.

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Originally Posted by Domino

how would Germany not have got into the EU ? Do you mean the €uro?

A United Europe was formed around Germany and France, it being Germany's alternative to war, just take over all the European countries by stealth.
When you owe them enough money you will be taken over by an army of unsmiling accountants rather than unsmiling soldiers. France fell in line as they saw Germany as being better Europeans than UK, which is why they kept us out of it so long. Their relationship with Germany was just a continuation of the Vichy relationship during the war.


So you really believe that Dom is wrong and that Germany does not control the EU?
From where I sit it looks to me like we are all in debt to the bank of Germany and what they say goes for us all, without a shot being fired they have managed to achieve what two wars failed to do!

Well it always surprised me how quickly they not only jumped in bed together, but virtually entered into a state of matrimony after all that had supposedly gone on shortly before, but I suppose that's the slimy frogs for you.

I question the common belief that the motivation behind a "United Europe" was to avoid war, simply because at the time of its conception, war was far from a threat. I tend to subscribe to the obvious: the motivation was primarily economic, not only the concept of a single currency, but more importantly, free trade. But what it turned out to be was "highly regulated" trade. Slightly different.

Germany was the first to violate, and has always violated the stability pact.

"United Europe" is a bit of an oxymoron, as the disunity of Europe is a major part of the problem. One currency, 17 divergent fiscal policies... ??

In economic terms, a Greek Euro should be worth less than a German Euro ... but it's not, and cannot be... It's the same currency.

Move your rocking chair next to Dom's and 'prepara te'.

'Die Fahne hoch, die Reihen fest geschlossen . . .'

Do you really hope for those times to return?

The Germans have had the good sense to ban the song.

True, thats one of HBGs common misconceptions.
The Germans had been disarmed and the country heavily occupied so it was a none starter in any event and to a lesser extent the same situation still applies today.

I'm not so sure, Dick. By the time of the Treaty of Rome, Germany was recovering, even militarily, and the leaders feared another war. They tried to suppress that feeling and have been suppressing it ever since.

Apart from Afghanistan, they've stuck to their policy of only acting in defence of their country, and defending Israel should they have to, but through their military service rules, they probably have the most powerful army in Europe, luckily without a nuclear capability, which they don't want.

But if nationalism raises its ugly head again, anything could happen, and they'll never forget Dresden.

I didn't think that under the terms of the surrender agreement that they weren't allowed to develop nuclear weapons which is a bit different from 'not wanting them'

If your involved and or interested in self sufficiency you must surely know about Rabbit starvation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation Its a poor survival meat. You should get a rifle and hunt Boar, you need fat in your diet as well as meat.

Whats a 'prominent specialist in immigration'? One of those lawyers who charges you to fill in forms you could do yourself lol Sadly coming from an ally of the US won't be of any help. The US/Canada/Australia/New Zealand now all demand you have a skill that can't be filled by a local person. For instance the US has a lot of general doctors so its not easy for a doctor to be accepted but, they are short of qualified general nurses so they find it easy to get it (comparatively).

You should be looking at areas of skill shortages and start training now otherwise unless you have getting on for a million dollars and qualify for a retirement visa they won't let you land.

we're past the application forms, thanks.

...and by the way, being British does make a difference.