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Not any more actually - retired.

But it was the kind of decision (not always about food) that I had to make continually. Do I get in a fruit machine or not? It would attract some gambling addicts but might put off some of my more genteel regulars. Do I get a young barmaid with big boobies in on a Friday night with loud music?Again you would win some and lose some.

Do I go Halal? Not too much of a problem.
Do I have to stop serving pork? Big problem!
Do I have to stop serving alcohol? Huge problem!

Therefore a lot of market research would have to be done to establish the necessary steps and their impact.

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Aside from the pork issue,

Would a halal restuarant run by a non muslim have the credibility to attract muslims.

In my book it would be like going to a Lebanese resturant for a fabada Asturiana...................:confused:

It just would not happen like that in the real world.

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A good sensible post, and my thoughts exactly, although some posters seem to think it is not necessary to know these things and you will accused of being on the outrage bus, like I was.

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It could prove interesting for someone who is a Jew to put his money where his mouth is and open a halal restaurant and try to entice the Muslims with Billions to spend all their money with him.

where would this pinnacle of sane cooking be found ??
I should imagine the queue will be all the way to the casino in Gibraltar
:rofl:

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well as the appointed driver of the bus I suppose I will have to let you onboard, despite your objections to the people who don't want to answer questions just bow down and touch forehead to the ground.

who is probably off trying to rake up enough support from his myriad of friends to come here and teach us a lesson.

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so you cut and paste the juicy bits from BE Spain to let all your acolytes know how big a boy you are, how erudite you are, how you are the king of the castle.

but then they can come on here and look in and see the truth as to what you have not said, how you have twisted and ducked and dived and not given an answer, but made false accusations against people.

and if you really get desperate you can call them in to swamp BE Spain yet again with personal attacks that take it all away from the original question and blame it on others.

very sad really....................
:hysterical:

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It's a bit more complicated (well, a lot more complicated) to have a kosher restaurant suitable for the Jewish dietary laws, though, because of the need to keep dairy items and meat completely separate, and never combine the two in the same dish. In orthodox Jewish homes they have two completely separate kitchens with separate utensils because of this. I suspect that if you advertised your restaurant as halal you would not attract Jewish customers, nor would you attract Muslim ones if you advertised it as kosher.

If you had a menu which included a fair selection of vegetarian items (which must be cheaper to make than ones including meat or fish anyway?) then Jewish, Muslim and vegetarian customers could all eat there, and only the most ultra-religious Muslims would not enter premises where alcohol is served although the vast majority would not drink it themselves.

I used to organise large conferences as part of my job, and we asked people booking places to specify any special dietary needs in advance. Those who requested halal food normally worded their request in such a way as to say either halal or vegetarian food would be acceptable, and if the hotel or conference centre could not assure me that they had a genuine halal supplier it was safer to ensure that the menu for meals (normally buffet style) was more or less half and half vegetarian and meat/fish to ensure plenty of choice for everyone. The biggest hurdle was getting over to the conference venue the fact that it wasn't acceptable to mix vegetarian items and ones containing meat or fish on the same serving platter - e.g. they thought it was OK to mix up all the cheese or egg mayonnaise sandwiches with the chicken and beef ones. Noooooo!!! They also had a hard time understanding that vegetarians (real ones) don't eat prawns or tuna - much like restaurants in Spain in that respect.

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Are you deliberately tying to pick a fight? Why are you trying to chase people off this forum?

I was very clear with what I said, many on this forum are also friends on FB, many from this section of the forum. Are you accusing them of swamping BE with personal attacks? If so, you will be a little surprised who is friends with me on FB AND here.....

Now, shall be discuss the subject or do you have yet more personal attacks against me? Are you, like HGB going to start quoting Nazi ideology against Jews? Or maybe you will ask 6 times per page the same question yet when someone else posts an almost identical resulting post you put up some childish "good post" picture?

Do me a favour, put me on ignore, I am actually enjoying this discussion but you and the other Troll are ruining it and shall be reported justly.

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Yeah, thats sort of what I was saying. I was in a restaurant, he was in a restaurant, the menu had pork on it, he still ate.... sort of answered the question I guessed....

Its funny, given the fact that I am about to kill three pigs I don't actually care either way regarding pork.... now beef on the other hand!

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What will, and should, happen is of course that Muslim business people will themselves set up exactly the right kind of restaurants (they have already) that will cater perfectly for the Muslim clientèle, and non-Muslims will be perfectly happy to go there as well. No need for us non-Muslims to worry about any of it.

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:thumbsup: Exactly!

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I'm sure that is true but the article simply states that if people want to cash in on it........ oh never mind.

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Ok fine, your muslim friend ate in a restaurant that had pork on the menu with a pork eating JEW, but is that the norm?

Would enough muslims be able to overcome the fact than a non muslim owner prepares halal food in a kitchen where pork is prepared too, to make that type of restaurant a viable proposition?

And as this thread is about business and cashing in on muslim customers, why cant my question be answered in an adult business manner?

I have various business interests and I thought you would encourage people to think outside the box.........

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well in that case why would the OP post the question on a British expat forum, I thought it was to make us think about the opportunities that abound by broadening our horizons.

Because I distinctly got the impression that the post was meant for us.

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Really, 90% of my customers who order coke/lemonade etc. are quite happy with it

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I know plenty who prefer bottles and I guess you can taste the difference sometimes but after several JD or rum and cokes it all starts tasting the same and you mix anything with enough ice and its all good.

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They may prefer it but at 50p a shot or 1.30 a bottle most choose the 50p option.

Another thread that's ended up a bunfight

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Take no notice.


Yeah, I think its even more in the OH's pub, they only do Frobishers as well, man are they expensive! £2.55 for a teeny soft drink! Ouch!

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If I indulge in a copa in Spain, I expect the measure (whether of gin or whisky or rum or whatever) to be quite substantial. Also the price (often 4-5 Euros), so I also expect the mixer to come in a bottle. Quite different to the UK where a short (or even double) is a small measure, and so a dash is quite sufficient.

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Its certainly a rule in these religions. I'm a bit of a hybrid, my family is C of E and Jewish, I have faith but follow neither dogma and eat what I like. That said I observe certain rules and protocols when entertaining Jewish and Muslim friends; its only polite.

As for means of slaughter I really don't care if the meat is Halal, Kosher or Jhatka for that matter.

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I havent read all of the comments but we buy halal meat simply because its a good price and good quality too.There are at least 3 morrocan shops in our town.Excellent for roasting, or huge steaks....we just dont ask for pork.;)

And I love the ramaddam treats they make also.

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I wouldn't buy halal meat knowingly. That's why I never buy from British supermarkets as they have admitted that most of their meat is killed that way now (nothing like pleasing the minority:sneaky:) I buy from a local Butcher who is a bit more expensive but top class for quality.

I have extended Jewish family, many of them not religious but AFAIK none of them eat pork. I think it is probably like the aversion the British have to horsemeat as they are not strict re. kosher food. I think the Muslims are quite well catered for in most countries....if you have money they will cater for what you want.

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That's not quite true. Some UK supermarkets sell some Halal meat. Mainly NZ lamb. I don't see how it's slaughtered, would make any difference to why you would buy it.

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I am an uneasy meat eater anyway...before you go off on one I dont'like to think that the meat i eat has been from an animal dying a slow death with it's throat cut whilst having some stupid ritual prayer to allah recited over it:thumbdown::thumbdown:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aughtered.html

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Oh well.

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Quite right, the guy saying the prayer doesn't give a toss about the animal but believes that having a quick word with the Mohammed makes everything OK.

I doubt anyone could live a true Muslim life given the millions of interpretations of the good book. Hypocrites most of them. And before you all start ranting and raving I will give you one anecdote. A work colleague from the Leicester area used to get pissed as fart with the rest of us on a regular basis, he had no idea where Mecca was if you gave him a compass yet when his father died he refused an alcoholic drink because it was un-islamic. I could give you more but I suspect that you all have similar stories. I see nothing atractive whatsoever about this religion.

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Unlike the non-Halal meat of course, nice quick clean deaths......

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...se-781364.html

http://www.ideaconnection.com/soluti...practices.html

It's just not a matter of the religion, if any, of the people doing the slaughtering.

If you want to be a vegetarian, then fine. That's a different matter.

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used to work with a guy who was in tears because his father had arranged a marriage for him "back home" in Pakistan, didnt tell him until he gave him the plane tickets. Came back with his bride, within a month he was out partying and sleeping around with his 2 English girlfriends as if nothing had happened.

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Do you think that is different from any other religion? I only know anything about Christianity and I can assure you you won't find a more hypocritical bunch anywhere...

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Traditional pig slaughter, matanza, in Spain is quite similar to halal but without the prayers. One quick cut with a knife and collect the blood to make morcilla. So if you are boycotting halal on grounds of animal welfare, forget all those lovely artesan-made sausages and chorizos ...

I'd rather eat meat killed this way than from animals packed into the back of a lorry, sent 200 miles to a slaughterhouse then suspended upside down in the air on a conveyor belt, thanks.

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Unfortunately in the UK probably likewise in Spain most small slaughterhouses and livestock marts were closed down for various reasons making longish road journeys unavoidable in most cases.

I used to live only two doors away from a butcher/slaughterhouse which actually belonged to my family before my time.

It was quite normal for me as a kid to wander in and see various animals hung up and killed simply by having their throats cut and occasionally I'd hold a bucket into which blood was drained for black puddings and such.
If I hung around long enough they sometimes blew me up a pigs bladder to kick around the streets for a football.

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Well it is certainly no more hypocritical to say a Muslim prayer as you slaughter an animal than it is to say "for what we are about to receive, may the lord make us truly thankful" over a big steak on your plate that someone else has conveniently killed for you out of your sight.

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:thumbsup:

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To get back to the OPs original point.

It might all be derailed by the inevitable, unavoidable and imminent attack by Israel on the nuclear facilities in Iran. They're talking about weeks now, even before the US election.

Israel will be able to cope with Iran's retaliation, mainly because of the distances involved, but Iran are able to set Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Dubai and others on fire.

That will inevitably bring in the US and the UK. The West can't loose, can't afford to loose, but they will, financially.

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So WW3 is about to start -doesn't that merit its own thread? :ohmy:

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Its been starting for at least the 6 years I've been on this site, along with swine flu, bird flu and Spain leaving the Euro......

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Nah,it's a regular thing.
Usually starts on a Saturday evening, just happens to be a bit earlier this week. ;)

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WW3? Hardly. We barely take any notice of the Middle East, we've had Iraq, Libya, Syria and now Iran.

These people are not like us, are they? Their religion tells them to kill us, they stone their women for adultery and get up to all sorts of other nonsense that we don't agree with.

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Was Hitler "like us" then?

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Best get in first.