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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 10237782)
But the questio is:
Would muslims eat in a place that serves and prepares PIG products in the same kitchen as their halal meals? I thought it was a simple question, and depending on the answer then one could have more of an opinion as to wether the business plan of going halal would be of any advantage for the business concerned. Stop skiriting around the question, i am only asking from a business point of view. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10237793)
I have answered your question, you just keep asking it, only changing the question each time..... IF I knew any Arabs, I would tell you that I have sat next to them while they order food and they have happily eaten it. On more than one occasion I have sat with Arabs during Ramadan and out of respect we have waited for sundown before we have food and the restaurant has been happy to wait. Now, what else would you like to know?
where have you answered my question, show me? |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 10237777)
It's dying away now, but there were a lot of Italian immigrants to the UK in the twentieth century, and they were often to be found as barbers, running cafes and restaurants, and yes fish and chip shops.
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 10237801)
Do they have any objection eating in a place that prepares PORK MEALS ALONG HALAL MEALS, ie in the same kitchen.
where have you answered my question, show me? |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 10237785)
A coke around here sells for 1.20 and costs 50c to buy. The margin on beer is very variable but on wines and spirits is very high. Food is the best.
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10237820)
I have told you several times now, if I actually knew any Arabs, which I don't, I'd tell you that I have sat next to them as they eat food in a restaurant with us non muslims. What are you not getting?
Typical of you, and the If I actually knew blah blah blahh line that you use is wearing a bit thin. Would they object to pork food being prepared in the same kitchen as their halal meal, multiple choice Yes No dont know |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 10237801)
Do they have any objection eating in a place that prepares PORK MEALS ALONG HALAL MEALS, ie in the same kitchen.
where have you answered my question, show me?
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10236969)
Hold on, my point is valid.
Spain is in a mess financially, it needs money, why wouldn't someone want the obvious surge in cash Muslim tourists could offer. Have you read the article? Some of the figures are amazing and Spain is definitely a popular destination for obvious reasons. I have quite a few Gulf Arab friends and many look at Spain as a former colony and their interest is strong for all the cultural gems it has to offer, why not capitalise on that? If I had a bar/restaurant out in Spain I would definitely offer halal and kosher, just like I would vegetarian.
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10237793)
I have answered your question, you just keep asking it, only changing the question each time..... IF I knew any Arabs, I would tell you that I have sat next to them while they order food and they have happily eaten it. On more than one occasion I have sat with Arabs during Ramadan and out of respect we have waited for sundown before we have food and the restaurant has been happy to wait. Now, what else would you like to know?
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10237820)
I have told you several times now, if I actually knew any Arabs, which I don't, I'd tell you that I have sat next to them as they eat food in a restaurant with us non muslims. What are you not getting?
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 10237830)
when I read this I couldnt see any reason why you couldnt get a DEFINITIVE answer
but then I read this and began to wonder if there are actually 2 different people using the same name here so there may be some doubt as to who what where and when you will get your answer JL Sorry dom, I quoted you by mistake. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 10237828)
Avoiding the question again.
Typical of you, and the If I actually knew blah blah blahh line that you use in wearing a bit thin. Would they object to pork food being prepared in the same kitchen ans their halal meal, multiple choice Yes No dont know
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 10237830)
when I read this I couldnt see any reason why you couldnt get a DEFINITIVE answer
but then I read this and began to wonder if there are actually 2 different people using the same name here so there may be some doubt as to who what where and when you will get your answer JL JLFS, I have answered your question, you are just choosing to to be belligerent and are trying to swamp the thread and issue in fine print, Domino, you are openly calling me a liar, despite telling you I was born out there and raised out there you still continue with your witch hunt. Grow up, the pair of you! |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10237840)
I have answered the question, why are you two making this a personal thing? Why are you both turning yet another thread into a fight? If you take both of your contributions out of this thread you are left with adults wanting to discuss the issue, you two just want to be nary, why?
JLFS, I have answered your question, you are just choosing to to be belligerent and are trying to swamp the thread and issue in fine print, Domino, you are openly calling me a liar, despite telling you I was born out there and raised out there you still continue with your witch hunt. Grow up, the pair of you! YES NO DONT KNOW easy enough:) |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Unreal.... is it a full moon or something?
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 10237839)
Have you morphed into anonymouse?????
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10237853)
Unreal.... is it a full moon or something?
just answer JL's question and we can all go for a cup of coffee |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by stuboy
(Post 10237826)
50 odd perent is low for soft drinks compared with the UK. How common is post-mix in Spain as I presume you are talking about bottled coke.
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 10237857)
changing the subject ?
just answer JL's question and we can all go for a cup of coffee |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10236930)
What about if it restricts the amount of money you can earn from tourists? Is their money not good enough?
Not giving Muslims and Jew halal and kosher meat is surely an infringement of their human rights? No? As for human rights, well, you have a right not to be persecuted for your religious beliefs I suppose, but your diet is a personal choice and it's not going to kill you if you deviate from the rules now and again. Lots of Muslims drink alcohol, for example. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by Pocaloca
(Post 10237915)
I'm not saying Muslims and Jews shouldn't holiday in Britain, or that British businesses shouldn't provide halal etc if they feel there is a market. Just that tourists need to take these things into consideration (which I'm sure they do).
As for human rights, well, you have a right not to be persecuted for your religious beliefs I suppose, but your diet is a personal choice and it's not going to kill you if you deviate from the rules now and again. Lots of Muslims drink alcohol, for example. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 10237801)
Do they have any objection eating in a place that prepares PORK MEALS ALONG HALAL MEALS, ie in the same kitchen.
where have you answered my question, show me? |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10237931)
But having halal and kosher food is a religious belief?
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by Pocaloca
(Post 10237915)
I'm not saying Muslims and Jews shouldn't holiday in Britain, or that British businesses shouldn't provide halal etc if they feel there is a market. Just that tourists need to take these things into consideration (which I'm sure they do).
As for human rights, well, you have a right not to be persecuted for your religious beliefs I suppose, but your diet is a personal choice and it's not going to kill you if you deviate from the rules now and again. Lots of Muslims drink alcohol, for example. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by Pocaloca
(Post 10237948)
I would say no - Islam and Judaism are religious beliefs. The diet is just one of the requirements that followers of these religions usually adopt. But not all do.
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Re: Welcome to the future.
About 15 percent of Jews in America today keep kosher.
Some Jews today consider Jewish Dietary Laws to be ancient health regulations that are no longer necessary as a result of modern methods of food preparation. Others are not knowledgeable about kosher laws. And others yet, who may view Jewish Dietary Laws as important and who may have knowledge of them, may chose not to observe them because of the added expense and inconvenience their observance can entail. Islam has laws regarding which foods can and cannot be eaten and also on the proper method of slaughtering an animal for consumption, known as dhabihah. However if there is no other food available then a Muslim is allowed to eat non-halal food. … the only requirement according to Sharia Law is to pray before when consuming non-halal foods. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by Pocaloca
(Post 10237960)
About 15 percent of Jews in America today keep kosher.
If there is no halal available then a Muslim is allowed to eat non-halal food Secondly, I challenge you to find any observant Jews who would agree with not eating Kosher, the article talks about AMERICAN conservative and reform Jews. Why should anyone have to settle for anything less than what they ant to eat or drink? If they have money and want to part with that and get what they want from people who are happy to provide then why would you not want a slice of that? |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10237971)
OK, you give me a link to a site called Boycott Halal... Brilliant.
Secondly, I challenge you to find any observant Jews who would agree with not eating Kosher, the article talks about AMERICAN conservative and reform Jews. Why should anyone have to settle for anything less than what they ant to eat or drink? If they have money and want to part with that and get what they want from people who are happy to provide then why would you not want a slice of that? |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Without all the hysterics about halal., my question about mixing halal with pork diners is a valid one, and it is in response as to why it could be a good idea or not to go halal.
RM said that it was a no brainer and serving halal would be of benefit to a business bacause of the affluent muslim travellers. I think to be able to make an informed business desicion things have to be looked into and studied more, than "in 20 years 1/3 of the world will be muslim" type statements. If a place stops serving alchol to attract the muslim euro/pound etc, would the sale of soft drinks from the new customers be enought to be viable. If a restaurant wishes to cater for halal, would that be enough that the meat served complied with religious beliefs, or would a whole new set of recepies and dishes be needed to entice the new muslim customers in. IE would they be satified with chicken fillet and chips, if the chicken was halal, I personally dont think so, they would rightly expect the same sort of meal they are used to at home in their own courntry. So quite possibly a native chef would have to be employed. If halal food cannot be prepared in the same kitchen as pork products, then would tthe new halal eating customers make up for the lack of spending the local would have spent on their magra, pork fillet, chorizo etc. would it suffice just to have a separate prep and storage area for halal food? I would challange the "no brainer" comment from RM and say it would be more like NO BRAIN if someone changed into a halal eaterie without knowing what the implications of such a radical move would be. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by Pocaloca
(Post 10237993)
OK, you win. You are always right, after all - your signature says so! :) But that doesn't change the fact that I have worked with many people who regard themselves as Jews and Muslims but choose to ignore the diet rules.
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 10238003)
Without all the hysterics about halal., my question about mixing halal with pork diners is a valid one, and it is in response as to why it could be a good idea or not to go halal.
RM said that it was a no brainer and serving halal would be of benefit to a business bacause of the affluent muslim travellers. I think to be able to make an informed business desicion things have to be looked into and studied more, than "in 20 years 1/3 of the world will be muslim" type statements. If a place stops serving alchol to attract the muslim euro/pound etc, would the sale of soft drinks from the new customers be enought to be viable. If a restaurant wishes to cater for halal, would that be enough that the meat served complied with religious beliefs, or would a whole new set of recepies and dishes be needed to entice the new muslim customers in. IE would they be satified with chicken fillet and chips, if the chicken was halal, I personally dont think so, they would rightly expect the same sort of meal they are used to at home in their own courntry. So quite possibly a native chef would have to be employed. If halal food cannot be prepared in the same kitchen as pork products, then would tthe new halal eating customers make up for the lack of spending the local would have spent on their magra, pork fillet, chorizo etc. would it suffice just to have a separate prep and storage area for halal food? I would challange the "no brainer" comment from RM and say it would be more like NO BRAIN if someone changed into a halal eaterie without knowing what the implications of such a radical move would be. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by stuboy
(Post 10238012)
Just a thought, would the Muslim traveller trust a non-Muslim host to provide the goods as required?
And i still havent had a yes no answer to the question. Would it be acceptable to muslims to have pork products prepared and eaten in the same place as halal. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
IE would they be satified with chicken fillet and chips, if the chicken was halal, I personally dont think so, they would rightly expect the same sort of meal they are used to at home in their own courntry. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 10238021)
The vast majority of fried chicken shops in London now claim to seve halal chicken (and I've seen this advertised in other UK cities too). It's just my observation but it doesn't seem to have stopped non-Muslim Brits from using those places. The slaughtering of the animal may be done a different way, but it's still chicken on the plate?
We are not talking about the places in the UK that are halal, we were talking about investing in opening a halal eaterie to accommodate the new muslim traveller, keep up. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 10238016)
I can see you have a handle on this :rofl::rofl:
And i still havent had a yes no answer to the question. Would it be acceptable to muslims to have pork products prepared and eaten in the same place as halal. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by stuboy
(Post 10238028)
In hospitals for sure there are different areas for the preparation of halal and other foods and I believe this is acceptable to the Muslim patient as it really is the best we can do and the best that they can expect in a non-Muslim country but the difference is that when they are in hospital they have no choice. When they are on the High Street with their £ in their pocket and a choice then I suspect they would prefer that there was no pig products within a hundred miles of the place.
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 10238025)
I am not talking about non-muslims eating halal food, non muslims are not required to refreain from eating any food, you are confusing the issue as usual.
We are not talking about the places in the UK that are halal, we were talking about investing in opening a halal eaterie to accommodate the new muslim traveller, keep up. The only thing you've said that makes sense is that devout Muslims wouldn't trust a halal place that also served pork products. But I can assure you I know Muslims in the UK who are happy eating roast lamb, or fish and chips. Why wouldn't they like to sample gazpacho, tortilla de patatas or even paella, if it's on a menu? |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 10238021)
The vast majority of fried chicken shops in London now claim to seve halal chicken (and I've seen this advertised in other UK cities too). It's just my observation but it doesn't seem to have stopped non-Muslim Brits from using those places. The slaughtering of the animal may be done a different way, but it's still chicken on the plate?
The question is; Is there sufficient demand for a totally observant buisness whether it be hotel, restaurant or whatever? I think there probably is a demand but only in certain geographical areas. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by stuboy
(Post 10238034)
This thread is getting confusing. I thought we were talking about the projected growth in tourism to non-muslim countries by Muslims who are demanding or would like accommodation (as RM initial link highlighted) that is 100% in accordance with their beliefs. We are not talking about current practices or already westenised or seasoned Muslim travellers.
The question is; Is there sufficient demand for a totally observant buisness whether it be hotel, restaurant or whatever? I think there probably is a demand but only in certain geographical areas. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by stuboy
(Post 10238034)
This thread is getting confusing. I thought we were talking about the projected growth in tourism to non-muslim countries by Muslims who are demanding or would like accommodation (as RM initial link highlighted) that is 100% in accordance with their beliefs. We are not talking about current practices or already westenised or seasoned Muslim travellers.
The question is; Is there sufficient demand for a totally observant buisness whether it be hotel, restaurant or whatever? I think there probably is a demand but only in certain geographical areas. Not muslims in the Edgeware road, who eat fried chicken and chips and baked beans on toast because they are British. Some posters dont get it though. |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10237951)
I'm afraid you are wrong. Halal and Kosher are integral parts of their religious beliefs, they cannot be separated. You can't just opt out from these rules, if you are Jewish and adherent then you can't eat pork and all your food has to be kosher, simple.
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 10238041)
So did I think that we were talking about the future traveller.
Not muslims in the Edgeware road, who eat fried chicken and chips and baked beans on toast because they are British. Some posters dont get it though. I live quite close to that street, and when I walk down I hear a lot of different languages. I'm told that a lot are exiles and political activists who are biding their time because of regime change back home etc. They are generally not British Muslims in the sense you talk about (eg Pakistani migrants). |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 10238039)
Many of the Muslims you'll see on the Edgware Road are in traditional dress and not people I'd assume as westernised. I could be wrong though.
I think you're right in that, and I suspect that RM probably agrees. The point is, it could be a growing area. Which again, I think is RM's point. Indeed it could, I am not arguing this point. My point is can you mix both? |
Re: Welcome to the future.
Originally Posted by stuboy
(Post 10238050)
Indeed it could, I am not arguing this point. My point is can you mix both?
http://www.nandos.co.uk/faq/does-nan...-halal-chicken But I suspect (for reasons given above) it wouldn't work where pork products were served. |
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