Welcome to the future.
#256
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Before I left the UK I remember reading in our local paper about a couple who had been on benefits for many years, and had 14, yes 14, children (and before anyone makes any assumptions, they were not immigrants). The husband quite openly said that he could not take any job that paid less than £500 per week, or the family would be worse off. As neither of the parents had a single qualification between them, that is never going to happen.
People who are working have to think carefully about whether they can afford to have another child, because they won't get a pay rise if they do (although they may get Child Benefit, which isn't a fortune). How can it ever be right for people on benefits to continue having child after child, when those who are paying tax to support them may be having to limit their own families more than they would like?
I've been a socialist all my life, but as far as I'm concerned, people should realise that they have an obligation to behave responsibly.
#257
Re: Welcome to the future.
Is anyone following the Derby fire case with the Phillpot's?
Take a look at the benefits these scroungers have been receiving, and it would appear they set the fire partially in an attempt to increase their gains, killing six of the children in the process
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Ph...#axzz2KnLjtjMZ
#258
Joined: Jun 2011
Location: In the middle of 10million Olive Trees
Posts: 12,053
Re: Welcome to the future.
All Actions Result in a Consequence
you have to stick by your decisions through thick and thin. OK so you "decide" or "plan" to have 10 children - but you know full well that here in Spain your decision/plan could cause jeapardy to some or all of those kids.
You have to take responsibility for your decision.
Why should you palm that responsibility on to someone else to ensure those children are clothed and fed.
stick with your dogs and cats by all means - you gain a better insight into life that way than you do by just having children.
When we had 3 dogs I called them "the kids". They all had tons of dog sensibility but were really the equal to a 7 year old child - at an age where they were too old for you to take total responsibility but not old enough to allow them to do what they wanted.
you have to have a plan, you have to have a plan B, C, D, E etc. Nothing goes the way you want it. You get up in the morning and someone like Domino has made an outrageous comment on BE Spain and that take an hour or so out of your day. your plans have gone down the swannee.
so what is plan b??
But please understand that when you are dealing with those dogs the look in their eyes when they have been deserted, dumped, thrown out. They don't understand why, they can't ask.
#259
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Why is the government providing benefits for children? surely this should be done if at all by tax concessions. People would then first have to work to gain.
Is anyone following the Derby fire case with the Phillpot's?
Take a look at the benefits these scroungers have been receiving, and it would appear they set the fire partially in an attempt to increase their gains, killing six of the children in the process
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Ph...#axzz2KnLjtjMZ
Is anyone following the Derby fire case with the Phillpot's?
Take a look at the benefits these scroungers have been receiving, and it would appear they set the fire partially in an attempt to increase their gains, killing six of the children in the process
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Ph...#axzz2KnLjtjMZ
#260
Re: Welcome to the future.
If there was no financial help there wouldn't be so many very young single mums, the ones who make a lifetime career out of claiming benefits because they don't see why they should support themselves, their brats become a free meal ticket.
#261
Re: Welcome to the future.
If it was up to me that is the first benefit that would be scrapped for everyone!
If there was no financial help there wouldn't be so many very young single mums, the ones who make a lifetime career out of claiming benefits because they don't see why they should support themselves, their brats become a free meal ticket.
If there was no financial help there wouldn't be so many very young single mums, the ones who make a lifetime career out of claiming benefits because they don't see why they should support themselves, their brats become a free meal ticket.
#263
Re: Welcome to the future.
We stuck ours in a bank account and gave it to our daughter when she came of age ... the child benefited
#264
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Re: Welcome to the future.
If it was up to me that is the first benefit that would be scrapped for everyone!
If there was no financial help there wouldn't be so many very young single mums, the ones who make a lifetime career out of claiming benefits because they don't see why they should support themselves, their brats become a free meal ticket.
If there was no financial help there wouldn't be so many very young single mums, the ones who make a lifetime career out of claiming benefits because they don't see why they should support themselves, their brats become a free meal ticket.
a) all those from the UK who move to another EU country
b) anyone going to the UK who doesn't have the child with them
so many people forget that getting CB is the key to the door to many other things, and it also guarantees payment of "the stamp" for future pension.
as I said earlier, you should be responsible for your actions, in all ways and not rely on the state to dig you out of the shit.
this has only come about since WWII and has progressively got worse and worse to the point where it isn't worth getting out of bed.
OOPPSS another sprog on the way
#265
Re: Welcome to the future.
and definitely should be stopped for
a) all those from the UK who move to another EU country
b) anyone going to the UK who doesn't have the child with them
so many people forget that getting CB is the key to the door to many other things, and it also guarantees payment of "the stamp" for future pension.
as I said earlier, you should be responsible for your actions, in all ways and not rely on the state to dig you out of the shit.
this has only come about since WWII and has progressively got worse and worse to the point where it isn't worth getting out of bed.
OOPPSS another sprog on the way
a) all those from the UK who move to another EU country
b) anyone going to the UK who doesn't have the child with them
so many people forget that getting CB is the key to the door to many other things, and it also guarantees payment of "the stamp" for future pension.
as I said earlier, you should be responsible for your actions, in all ways and not rely on the state to dig you out of the shit.
this has only come about since WWII and has progressively got worse and worse to the point where it isn't worth getting out of bed.
OOPPSS another sprog on the way
#266
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Re: Welcome to the future.
that is why we are paying out £millions to Poles and others who come over to work and they get CB for children that have never left the home country.
they should be eligible for any local credit/benefit from the country they are living in not the country they are working in. Unless the child is with them.
It is your scenario that opens it up to all and sundry as interpreted within the liberal reading of benefits for all by the EU.
and remember that CB is Tax Free irrespective of whether the adult in receipt is earning above or below the tax threshold - subject to the High Income Charge.
also Child Benefit doesn’t count as income for other benefits.
http://https://www.gov.uk/child-bene...er-information
more worrying - how can anyone be sure the CB is actually of benefit to the child concerned when it is paid to someone who has no direct control over the child in another country.
but credit to you for saving for your daughter's future.
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#267
Re: Welcome to the future.
then they move from a) to b)
that is why we are paying out £millions to Poles and others who come over to work and they get CB for children that have never left the home country.
they should be eligible for any local credit/benefit from the country they are living in not the country they are working in. Unless the child is with them.
It is your scenario that opens it up to all and sundry as interpreted within the liberal reading of benefits for all by the EU.
and remember that CB is Tax Free irrespective of whether the adult in receipt is earning above or below the tax threshold - subject to the High Income Charge.
also Child Benefit doesn’t count as income for other benefits.
http://https://www.gov.uk/child-bene...er-information
more worrying - how can anyone be sure the CB is actually of benefit to the child concerned when it is paid to someone who has no direct control over the child in another country.
but credit to you for saving for your daughter's future.
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that is why we are paying out £millions to Poles and others who come over to work and they get CB for children that have never left the home country.
they should be eligible for any local credit/benefit from the country they are living in not the country they are working in. Unless the child is with them.
It is your scenario that opens it up to all and sundry as interpreted within the liberal reading of benefits for all by the EU.
and remember that CB is Tax Free irrespective of whether the adult in receipt is earning above or below the tax threshold - subject to the High Income Charge.
also Child Benefit doesn’t count as income for other benefits.
http://https://www.gov.uk/child-bene...er-information
more worrying - how can anyone be sure the CB is actually of benefit to the child concerned when it is paid to someone who has no direct control over the child in another country.
but credit to you for saving for your daughter's future.
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One person is paying into the UK system, living there and gets child benefit for his child in Spain and you say they shouldnt
I paid all my life into the system and moved abroad so I no longer contribute there regarding tax or normal day to day stuff .... my pension is a benefit .. should I get it?
#268
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Re: Welcome to the future.
Its how far you take it isnt it!
One person is paying into the UK system, living there and gets child benefit for his child in Spain and you say they shouldnt
I paid all my life into the system and moved abroad so I no longer contribute there regarding tax or normal day to day stuff .... my pension is a benefit .. should I get it?
One person is paying into the UK system, living there and gets child benefit for his child in Spain and you say they shouldnt
I paid all my life into the system and moved abroad so I no longer contribute there regarding tax or normal day to day stuff .... my pension is a benefit .. should I get it?
and as I said, that scenario is what has opened up payments to all and sundry.
perhaps you would like to see Marriage Allowance re-introduced as a tax free benefit as well, it would re-invigorate marriage. This could also be paid for spouses living in Spain, Poland, Lithuania, Italy etc, and remember the now broadened scope of "spouse".
You paid all your life into the system to get the pension where you should want to live out your remaining years is up to you, be it Spain, Seychelles or Easter Island.
just not all will give you the WFP that comes in very handy Harry during these cold days and nights in sunny Spain.
#269
Re: Welcome to the future.
My question, in response to your comment "if you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em", was what you would do in cases where your circumstances changed unpredictably and you were no longer in a position to "feed 'em". It could happen to anyone! You still haven't answered that.
#270
Re: Welcome to the future.
Could you tell me, out of interest - before the recent cap, was child benefit included in your taxable income?
In which case it would seem a bit pointless to cap it and introduce all the extra administration associated with means-testing.