At war again?
#136
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Re: At war again?
Please tell me you are kidding? The man was using anti aircraft shells against unarmed people. Have you any idea what that is like? Those things are designed to rip metal structures apart. Where one went off next to people, they would be scattered all over the road in kit form.
Let's not forget the building where people went to be tortured, and in several cases disappear, never to be seen again.
So do you really, honestly think that Gaddafi should be left alone to carry out these sorts of atrocities, because that way the country lives as it should????
Let's not forget the building where people went to be tortured, and in several cases disappear, never to be seen again.
So do you really, honestly think that Gaddafi should be left alone to carry out these sorts of atrocities, because that way the country lives as it should????
You make out like he was just bored one day so went out killing to pass the time. What goes around comes around & just as we saw in Iraq, some people only understand force.
#138
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Re: At war again?
Haven't a good word to say about Gaddafi but I think they have made a mistake intervening. It is similar to Iraq, they have always had tribal divides as they are now between Tripoli and Bengazi etc. Far better to have let it pan out and seek alliances with the victor. Even when you see clips of the ragbag of rebels dragging Gaddafi supporters out of cars, beating up a soldier etc. they are not any different from Gaddafis henchmen. Effectively the alliance is fighting on the side of the rebels and they are an unknown factor.
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Re: At war again?
Unarmed people???? As with Bloody Sunday, just because the fighters put their weapons down or hide them, doesn't make them unarmed civilians.
You make out like he was just bored one day so went out killing to pass the time. What goes around comes around & just as we saw in Iraq, some people only understand force.
You make out like he was just bored one day so went out killing to pass the time. What goes around comes around & just as we saw in Iraq, some people only understand force.
Gaddafi, well that has been a sustained campaign of torture and abuse for decades, and the turning point in Benghazi was when the soldiers turned live ammunition on unarmed protestors. I saw footage of them running for there lives and being shot in the back.
They wouldn't show the footage of what the streets looked like after the soldiers opened up with anti aircraft weapons, as it would have been to distressing to see the street scene redecorated with the assorted giblets and offal left after people explode.
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Re: At war again?
Haven't a good word to say about Gaddafi but I think they have made a mistake intervening. It is similar to Iraq, they have always had tribal divides as they are now between Tripoli and Bengazi etc. Far better to have let it pan out and seek alliances with the victor. Even when you see clips of the ragbag of rebels dragging Gaddafi supporters out of cars, beating up a soldier etc. they are not any different from Gaddafis henchmen. Effectively the alliance is fighting on the side of the rebels and they are an unknown factor.
Those civilians palying catch-up with these soldiers when the tables are turned? Wrong, but understandable. As I have said before. If you abuse and butcher people, you can hardly complain if they turn on you and beat the crap out of you.
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Re: At war again?
Best make sure then that we finish it by keeping the madman down so well that the people get their confidence back. The UN (if they had half the balls of a bull canary) should insist that the people get a democratic vote on who runs the country and how.
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Re: At war again?
Sorry? I can't understand what you are trying to say here. No-one knows precisely what went on at Bloody Sunday. It is possible that the first shot was fired by an IRA agitator to start a bloodbath, equally it could have been fired by a British soldier. No-one knows except the person that pulled the trigger. The soldiers sent in there were about the worst they could have chosen for an encounter with civilians
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Re: At war again?
Paras are brilliant at what they do. However using them for crowd control is a bit like using pitbulls to check a school for drugs. Someone's going to get bitten, and they did.
#146
Re: At war again?
Nobody can predict exactly how it will pan out, but in the short term the forces have prevented a likely massacre by Gaddafis thugs, and in the long term they will hopefully at least give the Libyans enough freedom to decide their own future.
Whether or not they succeed is entirely up to them, but at least they will have been given the opportunity.
Whether or not they succeed is entirely up to them, but at least they will have been given the opportunity.
Don't get me wrong, I like millions of others will be overjoyed to see Gadaffii run out of town. I just don't feel it's our job to do this - it leads to too many complications and can cause resentment in the Islamic world. But, I'm not part of the government that has done this, and I'm just hoping the relevant armed forces have the room (and the will) to get this over as soon as possible.
#147
Re: At war again?
Well Gadaffi (unfortunately) has been carrying out further massacres in other towns. Would he have needed to do this if Bengazi had fallen?
Don't get me wrong, I like millions of others will be overjoyed to see Gadaffii run out of town. I just don't feel it's our job to do this - it leads to too many complications and can cause resentment in the Islamic world. But, I'm not part of the government that has done this, and I'm just hoping the relevant armed forces have the room (and the will) to get this over as soon as possible.
Don't get me wrong, I like millions of others will be overjoyed to see Gadaffii run out of town. I just don't feel it's our job to do this - it leads to too many complications and can cause resentment in the Islamic world. But, I'm not part of the government that has done this, and I'm just hoping the relevant armed forces have the room (and the will) to get this over as soon as possible.
More than likely this will die down fairly soon as his supplies have been cut off.
As I said at the end of the day hopefully the ppl.will have the opportunity to decide for themelves how they run their affairs, not the Western powers, so no due cause for resentment from anyone except Gaddafi.
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Re: At war again?
So, let me get this straight. The Iranians get their plane shot down, they paid a NON LYBIAN terroist group a shedload of dosh, and Lockerbie follows.
Lybia is accused, and yet the Lybian accused can demonstrate that he could not have been in Malta on the day it was claimed that he was there.
What precisely has that to do with any arab alliance?
Lybia is accused, and yet the Lybian accused can demonstrate that he could not have been in Malta on the day it was claimed that he was there.
What precisely has that to do with any arab alliance?
#149
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Re: At war again?
So, let me get this straight. The Iranians get their plane shot down, they paid a NON LYBIAN terroist group a shedload of dosh, and Lockerbie follows.
Lybia is accused, and yet the Lybian accused can demonstrate that he could not have been in Malta on the day it was claimed that he was there.
Lybia is accused, and yet the Lybian accused can demonstrate that he could not have been in Malta on the day it was claimed that he was there.