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Re: UK Leaving the EU
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 11082847)
Same as Russians or Americans or any other nation that isn't in the EU.
If the UK is not in the EU, we will not have the right to work or live automatically in the EU, including Spain. We will say goodbye to EH1C too. Of course, the same as you get privileged/lucky/rich Russians or Americans who can wrangle it, some Brits will still be allowed to have residency/own a business. |
Re: UK Leaving the EU
Originally Posted by EMR
(Post 11082833)
You also struggle to find good Australian or other southern hemisphere wines at affordable prices.
The " cheap " wines come in by the container or tanker load reducing the cost bottle on the shelf, duty is a fixed cost/bottle. If you are an importer of smaller volume wines then the shipping costs are much higher, duty is the same, any labelling regs the same. It could simply be that the volume of the better wines is only enough to supply the local markets and there is simply not enough to make it worthwhile for any importer. We have seen the " popular " UK industrial wines in supermarkets which cater for the UK holiday market but never anywhere else. Probably because local wines are much better value and much, much better quality. I do not think it is protectionism simply that the demand for premium wines would not be enough to make it worthwhile for any importer. How many Spaniards would pay more for a Napa Valley than a good Rioja . Second, There are plenty of poor Spanish wines just as there are poor wines anywhere. Depends on what you're comparing to. If you want to compare a $1/btl Gallo Cabernet with a €10 Rioja, that's hardly fair is it? But unfortunately, the cheap Gallo is likely the only thing you can get - for more than the cost of the Rioja. Again referring to #1 above, if you can't get it, how do you compare? Just saying there's no need because Spanish wines are the only thing you ever need is not a sufficient argument. That's like saying you don't ever need anything other than a Spanish-made smartphone, so we aren't going to allow you to buy anything else. |
Re: UK Leaving the EU
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 11082856)
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Second, There are plenty of poor Spanish wines just as there are poor wines anywhere. Depends on what you're comparing to. If you want to compare a $1/btl Gallo Cabernet with a €10 Rioja, that's hardly fair is it? But unfortunately, the cheap Gallo is likely the only thing you can get - for more than the cost of the Rioja. Again referring to #1 above, if you can't get it, how do you compare? Just saying there's no need because Spanish wines are the only thing you ever need is not a sufficient argument. That's like saying you don't ever need anything other than a Spanish-made smartphone, so we aren't going to allow you to buy anything else. And you've destroyed your own argument by referring to smartphones. Easy enough to get Apples or Android devices in Spain. If the range of Spanish wines wasn't so fantastic there would no doubt be a big demand (and import) of wines from abroad. There isn't a demand because it's not needed. |
Re: UK Leaving the EU
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 11082866)
There isn't a demand because it's not needed.
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Re: UK Leaving the EU
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 11082866)
If the range of Spanish wines wasn't so fantastic there would no doubt be a big demand (and import) of wines from abroad. There isn't a demand because it's not needed.
Why spend twice as much on a nice bottle of French wine, when there is plenty of great Spanish wines and more than enough variety to keep you going until the day you die The same argument is used for Spanish food It is only people who are completely ignorant of Spanish food and wine who will say that it's "all the same" Once a British person (who lives in Spain) complained to me that you can only get queso Manchego in Spain, and that it is such a shame that you cant get all the French cheeses. I didnt know where to start, that kind of ignorance astounds me |
Re: UK Leaving the EU
The claim that foreign investment in Britain would not be affected if the UK were to leave the EU is not borne out by what some of the biggest ones have been saying:-
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ec821832-3...#axzz2qevzwhk2 Nor are claims that trading relationships with the USA would not be affected borne out by what the US administration has reportedly said on the matter:- http://www.theguardian.com/business/...-us-trade-deal |
Re: UK Leaving the EU
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 11082856)
First, if it's simply not available, how do you know what's better and what's not? There are some truly excellent Napa Valley wines (or Australian or Chilean or...) that most Europeans will never experience. The opposite isn't true, however, because Americans have the choice of wines from all over the world at most supermarkets, at reasonable prices. Americans have the luxury of choosing for themselves which wine suits them, but unfortunately, we are far more limited in those choices, and so we tend to be rather closed minded.
Second, There are plenty of poor Spanish wines just as there are poor wines anywhere. Depends on what you're comparing to. If you want to compare a $1/btl Gallo Cabernet with a €10 Rioja, that's hardly fair is it? But unfortunately, the cheap Gallo is likely the only thing you can get - for more than the cost of the Rioja. Again referring to #1 above, if you can't get it, how do you compare? Just saying there's no need because Spanish wines are the only thing you ever need is not a sufficient argument. That's like saying you don't ever need anything other than a Spanish-made smartphone, so we aren't going to allow you to buy anything else. A Brit here based in Andalucia getting some good press on his red wines, not cheap, but seemingly very good. Onwards and upwards, good luck to him. http://www.tierrahermosa.com/in-the-press/ |
Re: UK Leaving the EU
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11082920)
I know plenty of Spanish wine buffs. They always tell me this
Why spend twice as much on a nice bottle of French wine, when there is plenty of great Spanish wines and more than enough variety to keep you going until the day you die The same argument is used for Spanish food It is only people who are completely ignorant of Spanish food and wine who will say that it's "all the same" Once a British person (who lives in Spain) complained to me that you can only get queso Manchego in Spain, and that it is such a shame that you cant get all the French cheeses. I didnt know where to start, that kind of ignorance astounds me |
Re: UK Leaving the EU
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 11082973)
Ignorance is as ignorance does. I reckon that explains why everything non-Spanish is "rubbish".
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Re: UK Leaving the EU
From this
Why spend twice as much on a nice bottle of French wine, when there is plenty of great Spanish wines and more than enough variety to keep you going until the day you die
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 11082973)
Ignorance is as ignorance does. I reckon that explains why everything non-Spanish is "rubbish".
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Re: UK Leaving the EU
If someone living in Spain likes French cheese they are ignorant???
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Re: UK Leaving the EU
Another contender for crazy logic
Once a British person (who lives in Spain) complained to me that you can only get queso Manchego in Spain, and that it is such a shame that you cant get all the French cheeses
Originally Posted by la mancha
(Post 11082994)
If someone living in Spain likes French cheese they are ignorant???
Unlike CM I don't eat that much Spanish cheese, but I'm partial to a bit of cabrales. |
Re: UK Leaving the EU
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 11082986)
Is that the stupidest bit of logic we've ever seen on BE? Quite an achievement if so. :thumbdown:
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11082920)
...that kind of ignorance astounds me
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Re: UK Leaving the EU
Did your eyes somehow fail to see the insult when the poster says that ‘ that kind of ignorance astounds me’?
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Re: UK Leaving the EU
Originally Posted by la mancha
(Post 11083013)
Did your eyes somehow fail to see the insult when the poster says that ‘ that kind of ignorance astounds me’?
It's like someone (in the past) coming to the uk and complaining they couldn't get German lager because they only serve warm bitter. Of course now you can get German beers and lagers, but the point is there was (and is) a great variety of beers already available. |
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