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Fredbargate Jan 16th 2014 7:55 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 11082685)
Lots of expats live in non-EU countries so I don't see why it should be a problem.

Plus a lot of expats moved to Spain before it joined the EU

amideislas Jan 16th 2014 7:57 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 11082685)
Lots of expats live in non-EU countries so I don't see why it should be a problem.

Lots of NON-EU expats live in the EU, too.

Fred James Jan 16th 2014 8:11 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by crookesey (Post 11082690)
I just had a thought, OK it probably won't happen again:rofl:, would a none EU resident of Spain be bound by 720? What I actually mean is would their country of domicile be expected to supply the Spanish tax authorities with details of someones income, savings and investments?

All tax residents of Spain are obliged to submit details of all assets held outside Spain (assuming they meet the Form 720 criteria), individual nationality or country of domicile is not relevant.

Whether information about any foreign assets would be supplied to Hacienda would depend on the country where the asset is located rather than the nationality or domicile of the holder.

steviedeluxe Jan 16th 2014 8:19 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by Lenox (Post 11082648)
The Spanish are bound by EU rules to give us expats living here as residents some rights and protection. These would be lost if we were no longer members of the EU. Work-permits would return (did you ever try and get one in the bad old days?). My kids, with American passports, who all grew up here, schooled here, speak Spanish as their first language, were unable to renew their residences after university and were obliged to leave Spain in search of work elsewhere (they are now, all three, happily working in the USA). Residence Permits (need to import so much money, etc) or three or six- month visas... The loss of voting rights (important if you live in a small village run by paletos). Medical rights... I'm sure importing a RHD British car would go out the window as well...
And, what's so great about Britain, anyway?

Well exactly.
We've all seen the posts by Americans who want to live+work in Spain - and they're told by everyone that legally they can't do it - unless they have a spare half a million to buy property, and even then they are not eligible to work. If the UK left the EU, British citizens would face the same restrictions as Americans in Spain.

amideislas Jan 16th 2014 8:31 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 11082724)
Well exactly.
We've all seen the posts by Americans who want to live+work in Spain - and they're told by everyone that legally they can't do it - unless they have a spare half a million to buy property, and even then they are not eligible to work. If the UK left the EU, British citizens would face the same restrictions as Americans in Spain.

We sure seem to have a lot of Americans here - well on the southwest of the island anyway. Somehow I doubt they all spent a half million.

agoreira Jan 16th 2014 8:43 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11082344)
They need us a damned sight more than we need them, that's for sure.

Ain't that the truth! We've always been a net contributor, always will be, they do us no favours whatsoever. I find it risible that people believe that if we leave, the EU will stop buying our goods and we'll continue buying all theirs. :confused: Are they real, they sell us a lot more than we sell them, why would they want to endanger that. They tell us we'd lose 3 million jobs, they don't tell you the EU would lose 4 million.

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11082344)
As for HBGs ridiculous claim about most expats leaving if we opt out of this godamn EU mess, I would say it's much more likely he will find himself in a minority of one on his return trip to Blighty. :lol:

¡Sin comentarios! :rofl:

HBG Jan 16th 2014 8:57 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 
The UK is a prosperous country within the EU because of our income from our City and our Bankers operating as the clearing house for EU business with the world.

If we leave the EU, Berlin or Paris will take over from London and the UK would lose at least a quarter of its annual income.

Lynn R Jan 16th 2014 8:58 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by crookesey (Post 11082690)
I just had a thought, OK it probably won't happen again:rofl:, would a none EU resident of Spain be bound by 720? What I actually mean is would their country of domicile be expected to supply the Spanish tax authorities with details of someones income, savings and investments?

The agreements between countries on the automatic exchange of information go much wider than countries within the EU - currently 37 of them have entered into it.


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jackytoo Jan 16th 2014 9:04 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 11082749)
The UK is a prosperous country within the EU because of our income from our City and our Bankers operating as the clearing house for EU business with the world.

If we leave the EU, Berlin or Paris will take over from London and the UK would lose at least a quarter of its annual income.

We'll there has been several attempts by the EU to move the centre away from London. It's not there because of the EU. London's financial centre would be even stronger without EU restrictive regulations.

benican Jan 16th 2014 9:12 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 11082756)
We'll there has been several attempts by the EU to move the centre away from London. It's not there because of the EU. London's financial centre would be even stronger without EU restrictive regulations.

Sorry Jackytoo, you're wrong there. The problem is that at present, the majority of the USA's trade with the EU goes through London. If the EU financial centre were to move elsewhere, so would the USA's trade. As I'm sure you know, the USA is by far the biggest importer of European goods.

mikelincs Jan 16th 2014 9:18 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 11082724)
Well exactly.
We've all seen the posts by Americans who want to live+work in Spain - and they're told by everyone that legally they can't do it - unless they have a spare half a million to buy property, and even then they are not eligible to work. If the UK left the EU, British citizens would face the same restrictions as Americans in Spain.

But the UK would still be in the EEA, so the effect would be minimal, Norway left the EU, but there are still plenty of Norwegians living, working and owning property in Spain.

jackytoo Jan 16th 2014 9:19 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 
USA pull out of London...never...total rubbish. Been googling have we.

benican Jan 16th 2014 9:22 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 11082769)
Rubbish!

Speaks for itself. The majority of economists must be wrong and you must be right! I'm new to this site, so I didn't realise that!

jackytoo Jan 16th 2014 9:23 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 
Are you sure you are new:rofl:

steviedeluxe Jan 16th 2014 9:28 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 
Incidentally, it's strange that the most strident anti-EU voices are from the older people amongst us.
I can just about about remember the 60s prior to the UK joining the Common Market, and we were a lot poorer country at that point despite having much of our industry. Outdoor toilets were commonplace, a shot of a spirit cost nearly twice as much as a beer, central heating was not widespread and it was still a treat in some homes to get fruit at Christmas time.
Now of course, some of the increase in living standards came about because of revenues from North Sea oil and gas, but increased trade with Europe has brought about incredible lifestyle changes in the UK.
If the UK were to go it alone, (same as is being said for Scotland) they'd find it very hard to begin with. No doubt things could be changed around as the talent in the people hasn't disappeared, but the first 20 years would be an economic catastrophe.


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