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Fredbargate Jan 24th 2014 3:43 am

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 
Speaking at the tourism fair FITUR in Madrid, Fernández Díaz said he was convinced that Saint Teresa of Ávila, the 16th-century nun, is “interceding” for Spain “during these harsh times.”

I wonder how the Gibraltar stand is fairing this year.

They probably require more than divine intervention

Lenox Jan 24th 2014 4:09 am

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 
Well, I think you have to take it in context. He was speaking at '...the presentation of “Huellas de Santa Teresa” (or, Traces of Saint Teresa)...'. What would you like him to say?

HBG Jan 24th 2014 11:26 pm

Re: UK Leaving the EU
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11094384)
I consider myself a "centrist". I prefer legislation derived from sensibility and reality, and sensible understanding of human nature, rather than unfettered idealism, political ambitions or religious ideals.

Having said that, naturally I tend to lean to the right, because I find much of the conservative view to be simply more sensible and grounded than that of the left. The conservatives certainly have proven far better at managing economic issues. The liberals on the other hand, tend to keep throwing good money after bad, in their quest for idealism, too oft dismissing the realities of how humans are, which explains why so many liberal policies fail or completely backfire, ironically only to be addressed by more of the same, in hopes it's failures will somehow change. ...very much like the EU.

Nonetheless, one thing I consistently find in conservative politics is legislation on the basis of religion-imposed morality (e.g., anti-gay, racist or other discriminatory policies). Many American conservatives make me cringe, for example. I simply can't agree with many of the less grounded sentiments of the conservatives, and UKIP is no exception.

Whilst I agree with a healthy debate (and even a referendum) on British or any other member's EU membership, I feel UKIP is making a joke of themselves. Farage wastes too many great opportunities with daft and offensive behaviour, rather than engaging in sensible debate and presentation of UKIPs platform. Other key UKIP members engage in wholly disrespectful behaviour...

...and that effectively negates anything sensible that UKIP may have to offer.

UKIP may affect UK politics in some positive ways, but I for one, couldn't ever vote for them, especially with Farage as leader.

I still say Daniel Hannon would make a far more credible UKIP leader, though I don't agree with all his views either.

Frankly, at the risk of getting hit with rotten tomatoes, I am pretty impressed with Cameron's government. They thought through it, did things carefully, stuck with it, and even after constant verbal abuse from Milliband and Labour, "proving" how things are going from bad to worse, it turns out that sensible politics is beginning to turn things around. Nothing will ever be perfect, but I'm impressed so far.

Could UKIP have done that? I seriously doubt it.

Labour? Not a chance. In fact, if Labour were in power, I'd reckon the UK could be in their 3rd bailout with no end in sight...

It's a long post to quote in its entirety, but if I do it will help me to explain my views on the subject because I agree with most of it, perhaps with the exception of Labour getting the wrong leader because they got the brothers mixed up.

And, they made a mistake with the Lib/Dems, they should have left it with those sensible Limehouse Four and the SDP. But 'New Labour' took the ground away from under all of them, it's what the British people wanted (but didn't get).

But a week is a long time in politics and we could waken up in four years' time with a King talking to trees and God unleashing all sorts of terrors on the population for breaking laws we don't yet know about.

He's apparently niggled about same sex marriages, but what will happen if we go too far and lead goats down the aisle?


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