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Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 11088762)
Actually, although it is only a single track (mostly, there are passing loops at most stations), the Ronda/Algeciras line is probably sufficient for the needs of Algeciras at the moment - I just hope they keep it open.
I also have been told it was Maersk who paid for the Los Barrios to Jerez motorway to provide themselves with better links. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11088816)
Yes, who almost all arrive my car
What would be the point of a rail line? |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11088816)
Yes, who almost all arrive my car
What would be the point of a rail line? |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 11088812)
I'm not trying to criticise either country. Just pointing out that the logic is the same for places like Cornwall and the south west of Wales, as for tourist areas of Spain. There are people who choose to live there all year round, yes, but even so the numbers are drastically reduced in much of the winter months compared to 3 or 4 months high season. You can't justify new train lines under those circumstances, nor keep lines open that are only used by a score of people each day.
Instead of following in C'mans footsteps and spouting endless garbage regarding something about which it's painfully obvious you haven't the faintest clue, I suggest you try reading Rosemary's post. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 11088812)
Just pointing out that the logic is the same for places like Cornwall and the south west of Wales, as for tourist areas of Spain.
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Re: Train development news
Valencia metro disaster inquiry re-opens.
http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/01/21/...39_245385.html While there are big questions to answer about the condition of the rolling stock, I am of the opinion that excess speed may have been a big factor as found in the original enquiry. Travelling on that stretch of line shortly before the mishap and seeing the look of concern/fear on other passengers faces trying to hang on while the train felt like it was literally bouncing up and down on the rails at what felt like excessive speed is something I clearly remember to this day. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by johnnyone
(Post 11089829)
I am not trying to start a Spain/Uk debate but your comment is wrong. You can get a main line line service to both Cornwall and South Wales and to places that have small populations. Those services do not exist to that extent in Spain.
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Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 11090767)
Huh? You can get a main line service (indeed there are now high speed AVE lines) to cities in the Valencian community eg Alicante and Valencia, plus train links to other towns. So I'd compare a tourist area like the Costa Blanca to Cornwall and south Wales, definitely. In fact in Cornwall much of the northern coast has had its services shut down, thus making it harder to get to the likes of Bude or Padstow. And, let's face it, the situation isn't going to change, you can't justify opening new rail lines in tourist areas like that unless you can see passenger demand for most of the year. It's not a Spain/UK debate in that sense, just economic logic that applies in both countries.
No comparison with Wales and Cornwall at all, "what about the UK then". Try listening to those living in the area and you might actually learn something. Meantime brand new AVE lines and stations in the middle of nowhere have been closed down, while two major cities like Barcelona and Valencia still have no direct AVE connection. Madness. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 11090786)
Meantime brand new AVE lines and stations in the middle of nowhere have been closed down, while two major cities like Barcelona and Valencia still have no direct AVE connection.
Madness. Stage 1 of the AVE was to link cities to Madrid. The lines that shut down were those that were built to possible commutor cities around Madrid, those didnt work It doesnt matter what the facts are, you just dont like the AVE, probably because it is Spanish and you hate all things Spanish. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 11090767)
Huh? You can get a main line service (indeed there are now high speed AVE lines) to cities in the Valencian community eg Alicante and Valencia, plus train links to other towns. So I'd compare a tourist area like the Costa Blanca to Cornwall and south Wales, definitely. In fact in Cornwall much of the northern coast has had its services shut down, thus making it harder to get to the likes of Bude or Padstow. And, let's face it, the situation isn't going to change, you can't justify opening new rail lines in tourist areas like that unless you can see passenger demand for most of the year. It's not a Spain/UK debate in that sense, just economic logic that applies in both countries.
You can however get a GWR service down to Penzance/Falmouth with stopping services between. In comparison with my area of Spain that depth of service just does not exist. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11090858)
Its being built and will be ready in 2016
As I have said before the money being spent on that should be used to improve/extend regional services. I suppose it's where you place your priorities. We shall just have to agree to disagree. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by johnnyone
(Post 11090916)
You cannot compare Bude and Padstow to Valencia and Alicante. I doubt whether Bude and Padstow have 20,000 people between them.
You can however get a GWR service down to Penzance/Falmouth with stopping services between. In comparison with my area of Spain that depth of service just does not exist. You can get services (often AVE ones now) to various cities and towns along the costas. But OBVIOUSLY it's not viable to have train services to various tourist towns/villages, the same as in the UK. NO GOOD quoting Penzance and Falmouth when much of northern Cornwall is longer linked to the railway. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11090858)
Its being built and will be ready in 2016
Stage 1 of the AVE was to link cities to Madrid. The lines that shut down were those that were built to possible commutor cities around Madrid, those didnt work It doesnt matter what the facts are, you just dont like the AVE, probably because it is Spanish and you hate all things Spanish. Incidentally no AVE lines were shut down - you can still get a AVE from Toledo (to Madrid), from Cuenca (to Madrid or to Valencia), or from Albacete (to Madridd or to Alicante). It was just a trial service directly linking those towns that was stopped - the same way that there is no longer a direct service from Nottinghan to Coventry in the UK. Both Nottingham and Cov still have train lines. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 11090940)
It's precisely because Bude and Padstow ARE NOT Valencia or Alicante (or Exeter for that matter) that they no longer have a service.
You can get services (often AVE ones now) to various cities and towns along the costas. But OBVIOUSLY it's not viable to have train services to various tourist towns/villages, the same as in the UK. NO GOOD quoting Penzance and Falmouth when much of northern Cornwall is longer linked to the railway. I understand you cannot expect every tiny town and village to be served by rail but there is certainly less coverage in Spain although that is in part due to geographic conditions. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by johnnyone
(Post 11091129)
there is certainly less coverage in Spain although that is in part due to geographic conditions.
Remember that the British railways were built to help manufacturing, not for commuting. The UK has had hardly any public transport projects in the past 50 years Spain in contrast has spent a fortune on them |
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