British Expats - Trafalgar Day

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bil	Oct 23rd 2011 6:30 am

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Originally Posted by evamar (Post 9691250)

Seconded!

But.. which species??? :p

Gracilis, of course. I take it you were descended from those rather second class Robustus?

Bigger Jim

Oct 23rd 2011 8:03 am

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Originally Posted by EllisG (Post 9691089)

no..I detected someone with a screwed up point of view (2 in fact) which needed correcting. Rather than guess what get's me riled try and think up a reason why Palestinians have done anything to justify your pity preferably with the level of first hand experience of the situation that I have...the innocent Greek residents of Farmagusta are far more deserving of your attention since they were actually evicted by an aggressor not homeless as a result of a failed invasion

As I recall it the Turks were the injured party who the Greek Cypriots tried to oust. It was only at this stage that the Turkish army invaded and took over half the island.

Jim

Bigger Jim

Oct 23rd 2011 8:08 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 9689166)

The yanks have never been defeated in their own words,:rofl:

If you are looking for an entertaining book try Bernard Cornwells "The Fort" that deals with part of Maine that the Brits held to the end. Not that the British Commander wanted to, he expected to fire a couple of shots and surrender to the Americans.

Jim

Fredbargate

Oct 23rd 2011 8:12 am

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Originally Posted by evamar (Post 9691233)

Throwing people away recently because other people used to live there many many centuries ago and their descendants wanted to go back is simply against the justice of this world. .

Nice to hear support for Gibraltar and the Gibraltarians :thumbup:

Domino

Oct 23rd 2011 12:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 9691420)

Nice to hear support for Gibraltar and the Gibraltarians :thumbup:

and its nearly 300 years since the Treaty of Utrecht - anything planned Fred ?

evamar

Oct 23rd 2011 5:18 pm

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 9691420)

Nice to hear support for Gibraltar and the Gibraltarians :thumbup:

And who wants to throw them out?

But, according to the treat, as soon as Gibraltar is no longer part of Britain it will become Spanish.... we are just waiting for their silly independence claims ... :p And of course... no water is recognised as British...

evamar

Oct 23rd 2011 5:36 pm

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Originally Posted by bil (Post 9691315)

Gracilis, of course. I take it you were descended from those rather second class Robustus?

Ug! What make you say that? uuuuhhh.... monkey wants banana... :lol:

If one can trust Wikipedia, Paranthropus are a different genus, and developed into gorillas and some gracilis went to become the bald monkeys we are now and others became chimpanzees... but if you've seen the planet of the apes you will know you'd better don't mess with the gorillas! :lol:

Fredbargate

Oct 23rd 2011 6:46 pm

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Originally Posted by evamar (Post 9691814)

And who wants to throw them out?
But, according to the treat, as soon as Gibraltar is no longer part of Britain it will become Spanish.... we are just waiting for their silly independence claims ... :p And of course... no water is recognised as British...

The country that has never honoured it's part of the treaty

EllisG

Oct 23rd 2011 6:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 9691877)

The country that has never honoured it's part of the treaty

yeah...tell those Dutch people we want the clogs they promised!!

that treaty ?

Relampago

Oct 23rd 2011 11:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 9691420)

Nice to hear support for Gibraltar and the Gibraltarians :thumbup:

Gibraltar was to succumb to the plague or a serious epidemic beginning the nineteenth century, if not for the help of the Spanish...

I ask myself why sometimes we have been so idiots...

EllisG

Oct 23rd 2011 11:30 pm

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Originally Posted by Relampago (Post 9692141)

Gibraltar was to succumb to the plague or a serious epidemic beginning the nineteenth century, if not for the help of the Spanish...

I ask myself why sometimes we have been so idiots...

why change the habit of a lifetime

Domino

Oct 24th 2011 5:51 am

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Originally Posted by Relampago (Post 9692141)

Gibraltar was to succumb to the plague or a serious epidemic beginning the nineteenth century, if not for the help of the Spanish...

I ask myself why sometimes we have been so idiots...

When the Brits gave back Hong Kong and Kowloon, the Spanish must have thought the Foreign Office may pop round to see them about Gibraltar, after all anything ceeded in perpetuity doesn't really mean anthing does it.

The problem was the only part that had to be returned to China was the New Territories, which were RENTED for 99 years 1898. The main island was ceded in perpetuity under the Treaty of Nanking of 1842 and Kowloon under the Treaty of Beijing of 1860 after a supposed assassination attempt on the British Governor.

When will Spain give back Melilla and Cueta to Morocco ?

Fredbargate

Oct 24th 2011 6:21 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 9692857)

When will Spain give back Melilla and Cueta to Morocco ?

I have asked many Spaniards that question and the reply is:-

But that is different

There is also the question of the numerous small islands, by small we are looking at football pitch size that they kept to claim the fishing rights.
Like Perejil were they sent in a frigate because 4 Moroccan shepherds slept the night there

jimenato

Oct 24th 2011 6:27 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 9692857)

When will Spain give back Melilla and Cueta to Morocco ?

The answer I have heard is "because they were never Morocco's in the first place".

steviedeluxe

Oct 24th 2011 6:35 am

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 9692933)

The answer I have heard is "because they were never Morocco's in the first place".

Surely the answer is that they are similar to the Isle of Wight or even northern Ireland (but not the Channel Islands)? The population in Ceuta or Melilla will vote in the national elections come November. Gibraltar is an overseas territory, not an integral part of the UK.

All academic anyway. The minute British forces leave Gib, the current world power (probably the US) will step in.

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