Originally Posted by BlackBeardie

mm no the aleternator would generate the the electricity needed once the engine was up and running.

Originally Posted by amideislas

Yes, it's a 27% discount (not)!

I think it's about time to remove ourselves from the grid. I think we'll invest in a combination of things; generator, solar, wind. And LOTS of batteries.

They can sue me if they don't like it.

Originally Posted by notacontrathinker

I've been looking round the internet and have come up with this article which goes a long way to explain the Spanish Governments apparent lunacy over solar power. It's two or three years old but the principle remains the same. I'll try to summarise the main points. It's a Bloomberg report so the currency's in dollars.

1. "Power from the most-efficient photovoltaic plants costs utilities about $275 per megawatt-hour to produce compared with about $60 for a coal-fired plant".

2. To get the Spanish solar industry up and running the Spanish Government offered solar energy producers 44 cents per kilowatt hour compared to the industry 4 cents per KH. This price was to be guaranteed for 25 years.

3. At these prices everyone and their grannies piled into solar power generation including the main power generators.

4. Spain was quickly saddled with $126 billion worth of obligations for solar subsidies and this was growing all the time.

5. The government had to cut the subsidies because it had too much uneconomic solar power generation and was/is costing the Government a fortune. Especially in the Crisis.

6. They are now trying to discourage new installations by making it uneconomic to run if you can't store the power in a battery, and moving people back towards the much cheaper grid power (my interpretation). Without Government subsidies it's going to take you 25 years to get your solar investment back.

7. Far from being in bed with the government, the producers are up in arms because they have been saddled with a hell of a lot of uneconomic kit.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...s-founder.html

Originally Posted by BlackBeardie

The Chinese while not being a democracy are making democratic PV systems. They are making modular units than can be plugged in the grid or used in conjunction with off grid systems. This will cheap panels and innovative charge controllers puts the Chinese at the fore front as the champion of people who want to live sustainable lifestyles. Compare this with the German model which the British have adopted with the unfit FiT (feed in tariffs). The German inverters while well engineered say you MUST be solely connected to the grid or your installation will be unsupported. A lot of German manufacturers like Diehl are tied in with the arms manufacturers and hence big Government. The sun in free. I for one am against handing the state control of this resource which should be for everyone to use as they see fit . Why are the Spanish people not up in arms regarding this unjust and draconian law?

Originally Posted by angiescarr

I ask myself this. The only answer I have had is that Spaniards have been told that Solar power is unsustainable because of the cost of Photo voltaics and the over use of land. Both of which are a very effective LIE propagated by the people who's agenda is to build nuclear power plants or who own fracking plants and Biofuel plants etc. I always use the expression. "Cherchez la femme"...in this case the 'femme' being money. Where is the money...who stands to gain? If it's the people....money won't be invested and lies will be told. And in my experience even very intelligent people have failed to discern these lies. The only reason any technology is expensive is when it's kept from being mainstream. I personally intend to be a solar bandit if at all possible We've already started building a hot water panel to augment my bathwater. (I have a very big bath but a very empty wallet! )