Yes, it's a 27% discount (not)!

I think it's about time to remove ourselves from the grid. I think we'll invest in a combination of things; generator, solar, wind. And LOTS of batteries.

They can sue me if they don't like it.

3 and 4 are quite obvious really.

If you can't sell the solar power to the grid, you either give them it for free OR store it in batteries for yourself. By blocking the storage it means your only alternative is to give it to them for free!

1 and 2 are obvious as well. Put the standing charge up and drop the unit charge. So work out how many extra units you can 'buy for free' for the extra standing charge payment-then make sure you use them

Ah! Now I understand - it's all a cunning plan to get us to go out and buy lots more electrical appliances so we can get our money's worth, thus stimulating the economy. Worthy of Baldrick at his best.

Until that strategy bites them in the ass and the electricity companies realise they'll have to spend €Bn's on new generating capacity to keep up with the increased demand. This is the state of play in the UK - with the added feature that building more power stations takes so long, and gets blocked by all the NIMBYs that it's not a short term solution.
Presumably in Spain, they'll just crank the price per kWh back up to suppress the demand they created.

I've now done the sums, and using my last bill as a comparison, the bill would have been €10 less under the proposed new system of charging! Therefore I am all in favour, and wish it to be introduced with all possible haste.

However, based on past experience and the unshakeable tenets of Sod's Law, I feel I can state with perfect confidence that for some reason or other, it won't apply to me!

Can anyone confirm that the various different power supply rating charges still apply as before, allbeit at the appropriate higher rates for each category ?

Can you think of something similar for water too?
Maybe along the lines of it being forbidden to change the energy level of water molecules by self provided means, ie. no lecky or gas.

They're working on it...

So as three of the rural properties we are coming over to view this week have solar panels with batteries and a generator back up I assume that they will be
off our list!!
So much for assisting the Spanish economy even in a small way!
How can they Police this I wonder. I surpose one could carry on self generating
until the batteries or spares are required when you might find it almost impossible or too expensive to continue?
Or am I misunderstanding the report?

They can't enforce it. Really. I'd take a very close look if they already have generators and Solar. I reckon those will become the most desirable as this thing plays out.

Good point....Cannot see how they could?..You live there I suspect you know many people generating their own energy?
Call me cynical but it smacks of big energy firms and Government sticking together for a mutually beneficial hug in whilst passing brown envelopes?

Hey, you're a fast learner for someone who hasn't moved here yet.

Thanks Dick...
Reading these forums ad nauseam to try to get all the information I can and learning from other peoples experiences has shown me to some extent what I`m facing.
However I`m trying not to be too down about it and I`m really looking forward to coming over and making my own mind up. That said there are re occurring themes and experiences running through the forums and not just this one which is why they are such a great source. Its like `Wicki` for potential expats...

I've had solar now for years. Recently got connected to the mains but still got the solar.
How can the authorities tell if I have solar batteries? They can't.
How can they stop me using batteries? They can't.

Unfortunately my batteries, being a good ten years old now, are on their last legs and will need to be replaced.
If new legislation prevents shops from selling batteries for solar installations then how can I replace my batteries?
Buy them over the Internet maybe, eBay possibly, but that means getting them delivered illegally by courier.

Maybe the electric companies have been talking to the holteliers lobby group and decided that they want a bit of favourable representation in government as well.
Follow the money.

It would be not uncommon for a Spanish law to ban the use of something for a specific purpose (such as what it was designed for), but not the sale of it. The battery manufacturer's lobby would have kittens.

Highly unlikely you won't be able to buy them. Just technically unable to use them, which would be wholly unenforceable anyway.

Having said that, like many things here, it would not be advisable to put up a big neon sign at your house that reads "I am using batteries to collect self-generated energy" - or anything else that might draw attention to that fact. Otherwise, there's really no need to investigate further.

Besides, I'd reckon all this will eventually get shot out of the sky by the anti-everything squad in Brussels.