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Yeah I can understand that coppers lose it, i`ve been around a bit as well and some people frankly could do with a good kickin.

But when you are in the police you have to be able to hold back a certain amount, the attack that i posted the guy need hospital treatment.

We`ve all seen the Police programmes made about the Street crime in the UK.

The difference here is that whilst some officers may get angry and lash out, these guys have beaten him far beyond anything the police could justifiy.

Which is why the UN are currently putting videos in Police stations.

These are only a few, there have been many more not caught on camera.

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All very true, but this is a site discussing Spain, not Ireland.

I never said the rest of the world dosn`t carry out abuse.:)

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The UN arent putting cameras in Spanish police stations this would require a UN debate and a Security Council Resoloution,as it would constitute interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign state:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Quiet its a secret.

Maybe it was the UN talking to that bad Zapatero guy that led to these cameras.:)

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90% of it is down to lack of respect, that's not to say it is an excuse to allow it of course, maybe more of a lack of brain cells on behalf of the person being brought in. :) or maybe an obvious way of getting them stitched up (the police).

Maybe his parents should have clipped him round the ear when he was a kid, oh but of course that was outlawed wasn't it, probably instegated by you. :rofl:

Look, generally if you don't fire abuse at police or others then they won't come back at you, if you do get arrested or pulled in for something you are not guilty of then just let them ask they're questions rather than going on the attack... for crying out loud. :)

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That guy, you should research, your talking as if he was guilty of something.

It still dosn`t give the Police authority to judge a persons guilty, thats why we have courts, Police don`t always arrest people who are guilty.

If you`ve ever been in Benalmadena on a Saturday night, you`ll see many people drunk and causing trouble, sometimes they deserve to be arrested, but I doubt you`d be to happy if somebody was attacked and you fitted the description of the assailant, the police find you near and ask you questions, you`ve had a bit to drink so your less aware of the situation, you then plead your not involved, the Police start taking a bit of an aggresive attitude to you, start insulting your manhood, we`ve all seen and heard how to irritate people, so you start getting a bit disrespectful and bang out comes the kicks and suddenly your resisting arrest and you wake up in hospital with serious injuries.

For nothing more than a mistake.

That has happened several times in many countries.

Which is why we`ve introduced the judical process, and the fact your innocent until proved guilty in a court of law, to protect the innocent as much as to punish the guilty.

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That's right, and there is an obvious way of behaving when you are not guilty, firing abuse at the police is not one of them. :)

You either understand.... or you don't :)

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Well not everybody is in a situation that allows that way of thinking.

And you are assuming that the Police involved have been model citizens pushed over the edge by arrogant, abusive people, guilty by assumption.

The problem is that there have been an above number of incidents for a EU counrty that have been caused by the officers in the first place, and have resulted in those officers not having anything more than a caution.

You see if your a suspect and that officer decides to smack your head against the wall when putting you in hand cuffs your likely to get a bit gobby, thats why they do it.

There tactic is to create a response, so that they can justify you gettin a kickin, the more your gobby, the more you get, the more the officer is twisting your arm to breaking point the high the chance your goin to get aggresive.

But my main point of this thread is not the so much the strong arm of the law but the ignorance that the govt is using in controlling human rights abuses when in custody to gain false confessions.

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Here`s an article of Igor testimony about the arrest.

Also today the authorities cannot find any evidence he is an ETA member, both suspects testimonies are similar despite severe questioning.

http://www.eitb24.com/new/en/B24_825...-to-be-killed/

This testimony is backed up by independant witnesses and contridicts the version by the Interior Minister Rubalcaba

Don`t forget there isn`t any evidence he`s a member of ETA, which has always resulted in the Police trying to beat out a confession, there thieory ofcourse is that the person is holding information, rather than he/she could be innocent.

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Then he should consider taking the police to the court of human rights, it's what everyone in the UK does when they feel they have been unjustly treated

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Julio Iglesias - Crime Against Humanity.

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Spice Girls,Westlife,British fashion,Brown Sauce:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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They have done in the past.:)

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Maybe you should spend more time on common sense than your research, you might learn some important things about life. :)

If the guy wasn't guilty when he was brought in he was before the cop hit him, guilty of being ignorant, verbal abuse, disrespect... so I take from this that you are of the type that thinks this is normally accepted behaviour? you have a lot to learn.

You blame the police for antagonising people to start them off then show an example of the opposite... then try to blame the police, get real lee. :rofl:

Yes, but the situation above is not the fault of the police, just the drunk that used abuse. The police have to ask questions and yes there may be people who who look like someone they are looking for, but being drunk or stoned is not an excuse to become verbally aggressive, all they are doing is questioning someone because they could be the person they are looking for, if you have no evidence then you are probably not guilty * or have nothing in your pocket you shouldn't have * so there is a very slim chance things will go any further, unless of course you throw verbal abuse at them.

Look at the above example another way, you are the cop, you are questioning someone about something surrounded by a lot of people who are drunk, stoned and god knows what else, while questioning this person you also have to be alert that no idiot chucks something in your face, expect an incoming object, the person questioning doesn't attack you and on top of this listen to abuse from some of the drunks and junkies, of course the police are going to be on edge... all that is happening is the policeman is trying to protect * you * and I and is being abused but those he is trying to protect.

lee, * mistake * is not an excuse, if you are arrogant and abusive then it's your fault, mistake or not. Try using your head a little, it's really very obvious.... :)

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I do not condone torture in any way shape or form for any reason.

BUT the policement involved in this alleged incident might well justify their treatment of a terrorist suspect in the same way that the US justify the interrogation of suspects in Guantánamo.

They arrest this suspected Basque terrorist, they think him and some accomplices are about to launch a major attack in madrid (as I think was later reported). They have to find out where and when in order to stop the murder of innocent civilians. How far should they be allowed to go in order to get the information they need to stop a terrorist attack?

I repeat, this doesn't mean I condine torture. just asking, that's all.