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There was another case where they shot a mentally retarded man that had a cap gun in a holster on his cowboy suit.
The copper said he felt his life was threatened so fired first.

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Indeed,also a guy with a chairleg that was mistaken for a shotgun!
I think the point that has been made here is that the police in all countries have a difficult job to do under difficult circumstance's,and sometimes there are mistakes made,and less frequently,outright abuses.
However until one of us has done their job I dont really think we can pass judgement (unless on outright abuse),maybe there are serving or ex police service on the forum who have a view:)

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It really is a shame when an innocent person looses their life like this.

Let us not forget that if someone had been a terrorist and the decision to shoot the terrorist had been taken then they would need to make sure the person was dead (as awful as it sounds), all that would be needed is for the person to push a trigger and possibly blow his backpack up... or worse, unfortunately making sure someone has been killed can be very gruesome and I for one do not envy the work of the police force in any way.

Police in this situation are under incredible pressure. I have friends in the service in the UK who have been in pressure situations that I am glad that I have never been put in, they are remarkable, sensitive people. These people are protecting you and me, sadly there are mistakes made just as there are in every situation in life. It's very easy for people 'like you or me' to say or think something seems ridiculous, but then... we are not in the situation that they are in... and hopefully never will be.

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It is possible that the police has beaten...something that is strange, because this type of people (people, because it is necessary to call to this type of bugs somehow) it is not allowed to capture easily, so it would be possible that this worm he had been lashed herself. And you still seek to defend to this type of mob, these that are dedicated to extort, to give informers...for to speak with the terrorists, so that they put the bomb, and any innocent person that walk by the street (even you that so much defend them) and although you are not political, nor artist, etc etc etc and a bomb sends you to Mars without stamp

In your girlfriend's land, among some things, you cannot be political, nor intellectual, nor artist...if you are of a thought different of ETA and their environment. They don't have any repair in killing until to their own autonomous police, the Ertzainxa, doesn't miss me that these police bodies live in a constant pressure

Because this mob that has been arrested by the police pursues you, it insults you...in definitive, they makes you the impossible life. And at the end, like has happened with a lot of people, do you finish with a shot in the nape or with a bomb under your car...do you understand the message, or do you continue in anal phase?

This is another that you said...that the republicans burned the King's photo. The true Spanish republicans have never burned the King's photo. Those that burned the King's photo were people of the catalan independence, like the personage mentioned at the beginning of this message. Yes, and this people of the extreme left (extrema izquierda), people that meets with the environment of ETA

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Thats very true and I agree with you totally.

But were in the section relating to Spain, but please if any of your friends want to post stuff about Spanish police feel free.

I`m not here trying to state the UK Police are innocent, there of course goin to be bad apples in every pie.

My main concern is that of the EU investigating Spain`s human rights record.

There not lookin at the UK.

And my other main concern is for people who may be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get the wrong type of treatment.

At the moment Spain is becoming more of a concern.

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Were not here to disguse, there better or worse than the UK.

I`d agree Police shouldn`t mistreat people in any country and ofcourse it does happen to an extent.

As for the tube shooting, the people involved weren`t regular Police officers.

Think Gibraltar.

And Special Recon unit of the 22nd Regiment.;)

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The human body is still capable of detonating a bomb with 2 badly placed shots.

There job was to stop a threat at all costs, as did the Iranian Embassy Seige and Gibraltor.

One guy was recovered in London with more then 50 rounds to the head and body.

Then he was deemed not a threat.

Unfortunatly that kid was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But there is a difference, a vast difference between that case and somebody being tortured in Police custody for questioning.

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The Policia and mainly the Guardia Civil, so much that you like to insult to these two police bodies. They have disarticulated many commands of ETA. It is ETA and their environment of ETA who tortures, nor the police nor the Spanish State. Vascongadas is one of the Spanish counties (with Catalonia) with more competences, until they have its own autonomous police

And a minority of radical Basques is not all the Basques, so you don't speak of mouth of all the Basques. You asks to Basques pursued in their own land who is the aggressor, before saying so many horseplays

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Its this kinda thing I`m more concerned about.

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The Irishmen could also speak to you of british police brutality and the London police killed a Brazilian man in the Meter without asking him nothing (so that these things are not exclusive of Spain) and not for this reason I will say that all the British policemen are of this way

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http://www.tu.tv/videos/abuelo-fasci...contra-policia

Lighten up a bit.;)

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You are very versed in videos of this type

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Well lee8, I don't think I am... and I'll tell you why, you see when I was brought up I was taught not to fling verbal abuse at people and to respect the police, I can't be sure this is what happened but it looks very like it was a verbal outburst from the lout that started it to me... although there was no sound so I can't be sure, but I have to be 99.9% sure this was the case. I doubt anyone would not find it hard to hold back when some youngster started flinging abuse at them in a situation where they should be showing respect, apart from the copper loosing it for a second the whole thing was handled as would be expected.

Sorry, no worries here. :)

BTW, I think the edit is for making small changes in the post, not changing the contents.

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I have more, seems your countrymen have more humour than you.:p

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Try this documental made by a couple who faced the Police in Spain.



Witness says she was sexually assulted, electricuted etc etc.

She has no association to ETA, they made another bad mistake.

When you get to 4.06 you`ll hear the UN investigator taking about the investigations made in Spain.