Is Spain about to disintegrate??
 

The Spanish State faces DISINTEGRATION

http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...=9316&offset=0


Or will corruption be it's end

allegations of bribery, money laundering and tax evasion implicating a network of businessmen and politicians belonging to the PP.

http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=26115

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Not sure about Spain disintegrating just yet, but this could be heart attack material for Cman and Stevie. :rofl:

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I spoke on here about Spain "dissolving" a few weeks ago. It is a possibility

And there is nothing new about PP politicians and corruption. The two go together. And a lot of politicians from other parties are involved too

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Is there an honest political party to be found ...................... anywhere? :confused:

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Just a thought. If, and I emphasise if, regions broke away from Spain and in effect became independent countries, it's not automatic that they would continue to be EU members. This point was recently made regarding Scotland and the ambitions of its leader for full independence. It was pointed out by EU officials that in such circumstances Scotland could not rely upon automatically continuing to be part of the EU. It would have to apply to join.
Back to Spain though, I wonder if some regions became independent countries and not part of the EU, what would be the legal position of inhabitants of these areas whose residential/work status's are defined by them being part of the EU?
Very much hypothetical perhaps but not impossible.

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That would be up to the new government of that region. Europe have said that any new nations will have to join the back of the queue for EU membership

Catalunya now is discussing with PSOE about how Catalunya can become a fully federated state. So within Spain, but fully autonomous. That would require a change of national government of course since this isnt acceptable to the PP

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Not sure about Spain disintegrating I have seen the news of people protesting etc. i have just been watching the news and some guy was speaking about Germany and the Southern Med countries etc. He mentioned the likely possibility of Spain going for a bailout but that it would need to fully accept the terms of austerity etc like Greece Portugal etc. He also spoke about the centralization of banking which is required and that Germany although not comfortable with that would have to accept it for the sake of the Euro but would demand massive changes in the Med Countries or pull out of the Euro which he doubted. I think that it is possible that so many conditions and austerity could be forced on the struggling countries that they have no option but to remove themselves. Lets face it Spain as has been said is showing signs of discontent and separation and that's before the EU austerity etc realy kicks in. Could be that to keep the country together the Spanish and other governments have no option but to leave. Maybe that is the plan who knows what is going on. For sure all politicians are trying to save their own skin and that is becoming defficult for Mrs Merkel if she keeps giving their taxes away.

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There is a large demo today in Madrid.

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Hi
I have always thought when Spain reaches the precipice, then the military will instigate a coup d etat, and Spain would go to a temporary dictatorship, before stabilisation, maybe leave Eu and return to democracy when stabilised.

This is not as silly or outlandish as it first appears.

regards
Al

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I suppose we just have to wait and see what happens and deal with whatever comes. Let's face it we can't change anything just adapt accoringly.

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didnt a serving officer make that statement at the end of lat week ?

personally, I do not feel it will happen

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I did notice the beach was a little smaller today...put it down to the tide but perhaps it is the start of the disintegration

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Its silly and out of date

The military has no standing in Spain any more. People would laugh them out of the door. Its the bankers who run the country, just like they do everywhere else

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This made me chuckle :D

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Totally agree on that one. I can just imagine some silly soldier sticking his rifle in a banker's face only for the banker to laugh and say "Go away. You have no standing in modern Spanish society. It's us bankers who run the country nowadays" .

It seems to have worked everywhere else where the military have tried to take over.

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I see Rajoy still has time to bang on about Gib though, you'd think he'd have more important things to worry about.
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1598...r-reino-unido/
I was surprised how many in the thread at the end actually thought that Gib would be mad to want to join Spain, and that Gib clearly had no interest in ever becoming Spanish.

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The UK has got Scotland, Germany has Bavaria, Italy has its north, and Spain has Catalunya, I won't bother with the rest of the world but most countries have regions that want to break away from central government for a host of reasons.

Our map drawers from years ago got it wrong many times, they put together people that didn't belong together, and didn't want to be together.

I'm trying to think of a recent example where a country was split, perhaps Czechoslovakia fits the bill and that separation seems to have worked, under the umbrella of the EU.

The trouble with Catalunya is the re-drawing of a map over which a bloody civil war has already been fought, and recently.

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Still banging on about bilateral talks, Gibraltarians being excluded from the talks, how very democratic :thumbdown:

Also the Treaty of Utrecht (1713), Gibraltar has many times asked Spain to go to court over the treaty and get a definitive answer. Spain always replies that in doing so it would mean that they recognise Gib as a country, which they do not. When the real answer is that the treaty would not hold up in court to Spain's way of thinking.

Nice to see some of the comments are on Gib's side.

4) ¿no tendrian que ser los habitantesde gibraltar lo que decidieran si quieren ser ingleses o Españoles?

8) Gibraltar siempre a servido a marear la perdiz cuando hemos tenido problemas.en España

10) VIVA GIBRALTAR LIBRE!!!

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I think at least a few have got the message! Plus always liked the expression marear la perdiz

Por cierto Gibraltar ya pasó por dos referéndum (Franco y Aznar) para volver a ser Española resultados el 99% y el 98% a favor de quedarse colonia Inglés !!!
Lo unico que me parece claro es que los gibraltareños no quieren ser españoles

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Come on guys, this is a British Expats forum where the language is English. Some of us have only lived in Spain for seven or eight years so haven't had chance to pick up on the language yet.

If you really must show off by posting in Spanish then at least give us an English translation as well.

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The reason for posting in Spanish is that many times the phrases don't translate too well.

But here it is courtesy of Google

4) Should not it be the habitantes de gibraltar to decide whether they want to be British or Spanish?

8) Gibraltar served always beating around the bush when we had problemas.en Spain

10) GIBRALTAR LIVE FREE!

marear la perdiz beating around the bush


Por cierto Gibraltar ya pasó por dos referéndum (Franco y Aznar) para volver a ser Española resultados el 99% y el 98% a favor de quedarse colonia Inglés !!!
Lo unico que me parece claro es que los gibraltareños no quieren ser españoles

Incidentally Gibraltar and went through two referendums (Franco and Aznar) Spanish for re results 99% and 98% in favor of remaining English colony!
The only thing that seems clear is that the people of Gibraltar do not want to be Spanish

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Seven or eight years without speaking Spanish? The choice is yours of course, personally I'd be ashamed if I couldn't hold a good conversation in the language after that time, wherever I was.

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I agree and I am :o

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Another popular decision with Spain, http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1604...o-provisional/

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got hit by a good one on Sunday when paying for 2 drinks
"DOCHENTA" says the guy

didnt catch me out, been here 9 months, heard that one before
so gave him the DOS OCHENTA he wanted.

its not the learning of the Spanish words its the learning of the saying by listening carefully as like the English, Scots, Welsh we all have little slang ways of saying things.

Spain disintegrating ? Well the UK appears to be doing the same, but in this case it is the rich Catalans not wanting to support the poorer rest of the country.
:frown:

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I think it's more a case of Spain integrating.The idea that the Euro could thrive with counties setting their own taxes and overseeing their own banking structures was barmy,the Euro could only ever be as strong as it's economically weakest member.Spain will be absorbed into the Greater German Europe with more and more of it's taxes and laws being decided in the Bundeskanzleramt .

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Taxes are already higher in Spain than in Germany :blink: Certainly they are for high earners

And this has nothing to do with the weakness of the Euro, otherwise the UK and US wouldnt be in trouble

Spain is hindered by the Euro simply because they cant inflate their currency to reduce their debts

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The US and UK aren't in trouble?:lol:

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Not sure about the US but UK IS!

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stop worrying .... no way you can change it!!

:D

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Spain? America? Iran? China? The World?


It loathes me to say it but we are probably not even close to the edge of this global crap.

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its called GERMANIA (from the roman latin name) not ´´greater germany´´ ,as that is
Großdeutschland which to a german is a ss panzer divison
the same as SWITZERLAND is Confoederatio Helvetica which again is latin (CH on back of cars ..
i wonder if SCOTLAND will be ´´rebublic de alba´´
and as for CATALONIA its only been in spain 300 years ,was free for a 1000 years before

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Well "England" was free for 3-4000 years before the Romans came and Wales was free before the Romans as well.
but are you suggesting the decision of the burghers of the day wasnt made carefully, to give the state the comfort of being part of a larger organisation, for the future good of the people.?

things change, and perhaps all the member states of Italy will want to split up as well, after all that has only been one nation for 150 years or so.
or even Germany which has only been in its current single state for about 200 years, both being previously loosely connected states but not a sing government.

but bet Catalunia will want to retain certain "rights" over the travel etc in the remainder of Spain, without having to pay for the upkeep.

all about money, greed, power - the things that keep man getting up in the morning, the opportunity to go out and hit someone on the head with a club.

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That is not quite true

Spain was united by the Catholic Kings in the late 16thC. Spain has been a country since then, which is over 400 years ago

Until then Spain was always a network of kingdoms that were passed between the hands of different nobles - depending on marriages, wars etc

In fact, you can only really say that a country has become "free" when they can choose who they are rulled by, before then they are just peons to the landowners

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So since 1975 then!

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not quite right either.......
the marriage of the Catholic Kings (Aragon and Castile) in 1469 (mid C15th) was seen as the start of the Spanish Kingdom but both kingdoms still operated seperately, even after the end of the Islamic Emirate in 1492 it wasnt until 1516 (early C16th) that Carlos I became the ruler of both states and started to bring things together....

As it was not until 1258 that the king of France formally relinquished his feudal lordship over the counties of the Principality of Catalonia to the king of Aragon James I, perhaps they should latch back on to France for comfort.

hth

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no the celts were free until the ANGLO-SAXONS invaded (thats you the english) in the 600s .Only the UK has major border controls ,so i think your bit behind there .... if you take Catalunya out of spain you aint left with much .italy may split in two in the future but they still are all italians and germany is all germans ...the people in Catalunya are not Spanish they dont speak spanish,they dont even have spanish in the schools except as a second language .even the road crossings have different markings then the rest of spain...

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...-of-Spain.html

Jo xx

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The young folk here in Zaragoza are more concerned about the opening of their Apple store in the new shopping mall.