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Old Aug 25th 2012 | 4:19 am
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I cannot figure out which pin to wire the neutral and which to wire the live to. Does it matter? There is no socket on the wall and the appliance has no plug on it so I am hoping to wire the socket and the plug.
The earth wire is marked and is one of the side pins but there is no marking to indicate the live or neutral. (on the plug or socket)
This type of plug is on spanish appliances (fridge, dishwasher etc.)
The 3 pins are rectangular in shape and in a straight line on plug and socket.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Old Aug 25th 2012 | 5:01 am
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Hiya!

Image is OK but I've never seen a plug/socket like that before. I could make a guess but that's all it would be - best wait for someone who knows what they're talking about.
 
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Originally Posted by dkeogh
I cannot figure out which pin to wire the neutral and which to wire the live to. Does it matter? There is no socket on the wall and the appliance has no plug on it so I am hoping to wire the socket and the plug.
The earth wire is marked and is one of the side pins but there is no marking to indicate the live or neutral. (on the plug or socket)
This type of plug is on spanish appliances (fridge, dishwasher etc.)
The 3 pins are rectangular in shape and in a straight line on plug and socket.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This is my first post and so dont know if the image will appear

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Old Aug 25th 2012 | 5:12 am
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Here is the corresponding plug

http://www.google.es/imgres?um=1&hl=...r:2,s:80,i:344
 
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Originally Posted by jimenato
Hiya!

Image is OK but I've never seen a plug/socket like that before. I could make a guess but that's all it would be - best wait for someone who knows what they're talking about.
Neither had I... Cheers anyway
 
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Weird! Never seen anything like this before.
Come on someone, put me out of my misery........what is it?
As I've been in Spain for 11 years and NEVER seen this type of plug/socket before, I'm intrigued.
Is it just VERY old?
 
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Originally Posted by Biffta
Weird! Never seen anything like this before.
Come on someone, put me out of my misery........what is it?
As I've been in Spain for 11 years and NEVER seen this type of plug/socket before, I'm intrigued.
Is it just VERY old?
Bought the socket in Leroy Merlin today.
I asked the instore expert and after 10 minutes away consulting someone, she returned to advise me to look up how to wire a plug on youtube... Brilliant!
 
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Originally Posted by Biffta
Weird! Never seen anything like this before.
Come on someone, put me out of my misery........what is it?
As I've been in Spain for 11 years and NEVER seen this type of plug/socket before, I'm intrigued.
Is it just VERY old?
It is a 16amp plug for a heavy appliance such as an electric hob with a high power demand. When I was fitting the kitchen in our newly built house last year that was the socket where the oven/hob was supposed to go. I got the answer when I went to a specialist electrical shop in Ayamonte with a photo of the socket and asked what plug fitted.

We had moved the position of the fan oven and microwave and we were putting the induction hob (low power user) in the socket position. It was not possible to fit the plug to the hob since the socket and hob would not align.

Le Roy Merlin sell these sockets and plugs so if you pop in you can look at both and work out what wires go where.

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Originally Posted by John & Kath
Le Roy Merlin sell these sockets and plugs so if you pop in you can look at both and work out what wires go where.
How do you "work out" which wires go where?
Surely in Spain it has to be neutral to one side, positive to the other and earth to the middle? There are only three!
How tricky is that?
 
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Originally Posted by Biffta
How do you "work out" which wires go where?
Surely in Spain it has to be neutral to one side, positive to the other and earth to the middle? There are only three!
How tricky is that?
Have you ever seen one of these plugs?

If not what is the point of guessing the answer - some positive, educated suggestions would be appreciated.

Electrical connections are not something you guess about.
 
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Originally Posted by Fred James

Electrical connections are not something you guess about.
Very true, guessing and electrics don't really go together. Personally, if I didn't know, I'd be seeking professional advice rather than a guess by some non electrician in a forum.
 
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John & Kath had the correct answer - these type of plugs are very appliances that need to draw high power. For example, electric hobs should be on a separate circuit (25 amp normally not just 16) and use this type of socket.


If you aren't sure, please don't 'play' - get an expert in.
 
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That plug is rated for 25amp. The plug you should be using for a domestic appliance such as a fridge, dishwasher etc is rated at 16 amp > see here http://www.ferrafils.com/product.php?id_product=624.

The live (brown) goes to the right hand terminal, earth (green/yellow) to middle and neutral (blue) to the left. You should check the rating for the wiring and the fuse / RCD.



On this plug it doesn't really matter which side live / neutral. Note, if you turn the plug upside down they are transposed.

You may find the colour coding for wiring within your property is not brown/blue for example it could be blue/black.

Electricity can kill. As has been suggested, unless you don't know what you are doing get someone who does.

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Is it a three phase plug (450v) ?
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Originally Posted by teuchterpete
Is it a three phase plug (450v) ?
Pete
No, it is a two phase plug 25 amp for heavy duty appliance e.g. a cooker / hob.
 


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