|
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by bobd22
(Post 11189639)
Unfortunately just been on UK news Honda are cutting back shifts and looking to lay people off in Swindon due to exports falling! Not good
|
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
More shocking scenes expected in Madrid next month.....
... Eddie Izzard is going to do some shows... http://www.barcelonacomedyfestival.c...for-eddie.html |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 11189656)
Some recent figures here for pensions, and yes there will be people getting fat pensions, but the vast majority are nowhere near that, figures here are nearer €1,000 than €2,500.
la pensión media de jubilación de todo el sistema está en 979,36 euros. http://noticias.lainformacion.com/ma...yWYHtT4oSfd92/ That is about double the UK state pension |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Do the millions on the black get a state pension?
|
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11189700)
Yes. And people who retired in 2013 retire with a state pension of 1400 euros on average - per person remember
That is about double the UK state pension Ever look at all the top ups for UK pensioner such as no rent or council tax to pay. |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11189652)
More nonsense
I recently hired someone to work with me, and the 20 somethings I spoke to wouldnt work for less than 20k per year And to be honest I dont know anyone who earns less than 18k per year. Most earn at least double that - I am talking young professionals And my wife's parents and aunty all have 2,500 euro state pensions. Plus private pensions. It is not unusual |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by chopera
(Post 11189675)
None of the dozen or so people I know who went there say that they saw anything.
In fact all the news reports I've read seem to be stressing that the incidents occured after the demonstration has finished, and were mainly confined to Calle Genova, where the PP HQ is, and near Plaza Colon. http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/2092...-marzo/madrid/ It seems they had permission to demonstrate until 9pm and it was about then that most people started to leave slowly, but when the police tried to clear the area the trouble started. We're talking about over 2 million people carrying out a large and peaceful demonstration, with the general support of much of Spain. I think that's the main news - not the actions of a tiny minority after the event was over. . |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 11189715)
Again you're talking about young professionals who have a job but how many people aren't on these salaries or don't have a job? If you're living in Barcelona or Madrid you need to earn more, as rents are higher than most other European cities. May I ask what your wife's parents did? People are happy to get €1000 today and if everyone was getting €2500 who would be paying for it? You might be surrounded by rich people, but what about the other 90%?
My parents in law were a lawyer and funcionario earniing around 50k each My brothers and sisters in law are engineers, lawyers and businesspeople in their 30s earning between 35k and 120k per year. All in Spain, although some of them have worked out of Spain in the past They are not posh or from a rich background but they are well educated, intelligent and go-getters However, they all complain that they dont get paid enough because in the UK or US they would earn 2 or 3 times as much. But they live in Spain because life is good here. Just like we do |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11189618)
There are lots of rich Spaniards in those areas too. I friend of my wife has a 3 million euro house in Sotogrande
It surprises me that there are only 4 million Spaniards living on 1000pm, I thought it would be more The point I am making is that some very obnoxious British people arrive in Spain and then keep going on about how the Spanish want the "rich guiri's money". Well, firstly, if someone is going to rip you off, it will probably be another Brit, and from what I saw, British people in Spain are not really any richer than the Spanish people they live with If you work in Spain, then you normally have a comfortable life because there are options for cheap rent and living accommodation (unlike in the South East of the UK), and once you retire, pensions are much more generous than UK pensions. Lots of people get 2,500 euros per month on the state pension and then have a private pension on top Crickey, in the winter here, most the old ladies walk around in thousand euro fur coats! Nonetheless, they do comprise the smaller of the expat population. Still, compared to the average native, foreigners have always represented an opportunity to easily profit. The 2-tier pricing system is a testament to that, and i need not mention the estate market, where locals offer inherited wrecks for double or triple market value in hopes of landing an unsuspecting "rich" foreign buyer - and they often wait many years to get it - locals would never pay that much. But to be fair, there is no shortage of ridiculous sums of "old" money floating around. Many of the families here are sitting on many millions acquired during and after Franco, although much of it is hidden from view. But it's also no secret that if you want to be a millionaire here, then you need to bring 2 million with you. |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11189731)
I am providing a bit of balance to the argument. Of course I know there is a huge problem with jobs in Spain, although low pay isnt the biggest problem, the quantity of professional jobs is
My parents in law were a lawyer and funcionario earniing around 50k each My brothers and sisters in law are engineers, lawyers and businesspeople in their 30s earning between 35k and 120k per year. All in Spain, although some of them have worked out of Spain in the past They are not posh or from a rich background but they are well educated, intelligent and go-getters However, they all complain that they dont get paid enough because in the UK or US they would earn 2 or 3 times as much. But they live in Spain because life is good here. Just like we do |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 11189734)
Yes there is no shortage of obnoxious, arrogant Brits around, most of those are of the type that seek norhing more than a sunny version of some english shire, with the expectation that all things British will be awaiting them here, and complain endlessly about the reality of it.
Nonetheless, they do comprise the smaller of the expat population. Still, compared to the average native, foreigners have always represented an opportunity to easily profit. The 2-tier pricing system is a testament to that, and i need not mention the estate market, where locals offer inherited wrecks for double or triple market value in hopes of landing an unsuspecting "rich" foreign buyer - and they often wait many years to get it - locals would never pay that much. But to be fair, there is no shortage of ridiculous sums of "old" money floating around. Many of the families here are sitting on many millions acquired during and after Franco, although much of it is hidden from view. But it's also no secret that if you want to be a millionaire here, then you need to bring 2 million with you. The point I am making is that some very obnoxious British people arrive in Spain |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 11189749)
The thing is that you only hang around with upper class people. If you're working in Law are an Engineer, you are well off. Funny enough I work in Ireland IT company and as soon as we have a Spanish position, 50 or more people apply. Starting salary is 23K and most of the time these people are well educated.
A lot of Spanish young people are well educated on paper. The problem is that there havent been any jobs created since 2007. So those who have graduated since then, or lost their job in the past 7 years havent been able to get a new one. Hence why they emigrate It is a very simple problem really The problem isnt about low salaries in Spain, it is about no jobs in Spain (at the moment). The people I know graduated 10-15 years ago so are in a much better position as there were lots of oppotunities in Spain between the late 90s and 2007 |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 11189700)
Yes. And people who retired in 2013 retire with a state pension of 1400 euros on average - per person remember
That is about double the UK state pension |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 11189702)
Do the millions on the black get a state pension?
I wondered that too |
Re: Shocking Scenes in Madrid.
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 11189762)
Is that correct? I thought the pension in Spain depended on contributions - for example autonomos can choose to increase their payments in the last 10 years before retiring. But a lot of people won't have been able to do that?
The figure makes sense. You need to earn about 23k euros per year to get a pension of 1400 euros per month 23k euros is the average (median salary) in Spain. So the figures add up Like I said, British people can only dream of such a great state pension My parents in-law complain that they "only" get 7k euros per month pension between them (5k state plus 2k private). I said count your lucky stars you don't live in Britain! |
| All times are GMT -12. The time now is 11:52 am. |
Powered by vBulletin: ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.