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Agreed. And as I said, people from economically challenged populations move for entirely different reasons than those who have the means and luxury to move wherever suits them.

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...and therefore they choose to work less, but to live in near-poverty

Meaning that immigration is a good thing. We can all choose the lifestyle that suits us best

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You mean hand to mouth brigade...no job too small, airport runs, walls painting etc:rofl:

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I obviously can't speak for you, but neither I nor anyone we know from the UK or northern Europe fits that description. They didn't come here seeking prosperity. They brought it with them.

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From the accounts I'm hearing it didn't turn into anything particularly nasty at all, a few scuffles to grab the headlines and give further fuel to a government looking for any excuse to ban these types of protest.

Maybe it's better to focus on the majority who protested peacefully rather than the minority who didn't?

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So all these prosperous Brits are choosing to drive around in old bangers on UK number plates are they? They are actually rich but pretending to be poor

Pull the other one

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Did not look bad no, :unsure: at least 101 injured, 67 of them Coppers and 29 was so far arrested, I think the death of Adolfo Suarez has probably took the shine off the riots being a much bigger story today.

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Those type of stats are similar to grudge football matches no? Celtic v Rangers, West Ham v Chelsea or even Derby v Leicester.... Not saying it should be allowed to happen, but easily avoided by anyone who doesn't look for trouble. And as I say I'm in central Madrid most days, mainly in the shopping side, and never stray into the places these demos may kick off. I'd be more scared going to Belfast (or even Glasgow) in marching season.

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Just as an aside I watched the Clasico in two venues last night - changed at half time. In both places there were supporters of Barca, cheering their goals, with no threat of trouble or violence. I've noticed this in London too, people who support different teams can somehow tolerate opposition supporters. But I know smaller cities where this wouldn't be the case.

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There was a good atmosphere in the bar I was in, mostly Barca fans :( I was going to another bar at HT but it was too good a atmosphere to walk out.

Yep happens all the time, some will overspill into Violence though, It would not happen as nicely in Italy for sure, I had a really bad frightening experience in Roma once, I really thought it was gonna be game over

Betis / Sevilla as well I have been there and seen cars torched and violence outside, Ive seen bad west ham matches in pubs, I remember once coming out of West Ham and a minibus with Salford Van Hire was plodding up the road, they smashed every window, they had a long drive back in the cold night.

Last match I went to was Arsenal v Liverpool and they would not let me in the bar, so I went over the road and bought a pin on Arsenal Badge and then was let in, but Arsenal is not really a fighting club Spurs on the other hand are pretty much hated through Europe.

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Well what is "rich" exactly? Being able to buy food and pay rent? As even you suggested recently, apparently it's anyone with more than €25k pa income.

"rich" is only relative anyway. But i have to believe that anyone who has the means to pull sticks simply because they fancy it would have to be better off than those who up sticks because they have no other choice... ...or otherwise "rich" to use your own term.

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I didn't say it was I referred if you read my post those expats moving to the likes of Spain and Cyprus. There is nothing wrong with Spanish or any other EU citizen trying yo better their life.

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Or retire to hoping to make their pension go a bit farther, mind not sure that is still the case unless you are an alcoholic smoker!

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People always say that "rich" means someone who has twice as much as them, so in my case, it is someone with a lot more than 25k ;)

In my experience, especially the younger Brits and British families on the CDS, they are no "richer" than the local population. Apart from a few exceptions, Spain does not attract rich immigrants, whether they be Brits or any other nationality

Why do you think the British places on the Coast offer pints for 1 euro and all day breakfasts for 2 euros?

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In my experience, especially the younger Brits and British families on the CDS, they are no "richer" than the local population. Apart from a few exceptions, Spain does not attract rich immigrants, whether they be Brits or any other nationality

Why do you think the British places on the Coast offer pints for 1 euro and all day breakfasts for 2 euros?[/QUOTE]

Lets face it many UK expats are in any Euro Zone Country worse off than they were pre 2008 due to the deflation of the £ and that isn't down to Spain. So yes coastal areas with a large UK expat population have to keep prices low. mind same thing happens in most of the UK hence popularity of Weatherspoons. To do otherwise is probably finnancial scuicide for struggling bars.